Patheos

BuddhistCatholicContemplativeEvangelicalGeneral ChristianHinduJewishLatter-day SaintMuslimNew VisionsProgressive Christian

Beliefs

Topics

Columnists

Resource Library

Research Tools

Video

Podcasts

Thought Readers

Faith In Media Tracker

Newsletters

Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support

Patheos

Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support

Follow Patheos Patheos on Facebook Patheos on YouTube

Wild Fox Zen

Coming From Zero, Face to Face: Post Modern Power

Last updated on: July 10, 2008 at 3:29 pm   by Dosho Port

Coming From Zero, Face to Face: Post Modern Power 2008-07-10T15:29:00-06:00 Dosho Port

LOGO Patheos Explore the world's faith through different perspectives on religion and spirituality! Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world.

My power consultant is a post-modern guy. He even wears Italian shoes. At least I’m confident that they’re not Birkenstocks or NB’s. They look odd in a stylish way – so I like to think they’re Italian.

Like my consultant’s shoes, my thoughts are a work in progress here. And I’m experimenting with this post-modern power orientation with a small group and expect that things will develop some over time.

Modern power is exercised through normative theories. The post-modern power orientation is to put any modern over-arching theory in the “third chair” and have a little chat with it. This has big implications on how a person is regarded.

You might say that post-modern power dissociates from any one organizing principle by putting the beating-hearted person first and so it is really tight with Dogen (pick almost any Shobogenzo passage and you’ll find a dissociation with any one organizing principle in action).

Given how the traditional, vertical model has not worked well in many important ways in many Zen communities, the present tendency is to emphasize the horizontal. However, when the vertical is weak or fuzzy, the “0” point, the intersection of the horizontal axis and the vertical axis is really difficult to find.

And I mean “0” here with all of its Zen implications.

I suspect that some of the new technology companies are way ahead of us here but I haven’t had time to research that yet. Some dynamic coming together of creativity, experience, accountability, and freedom is what is needed in our Zen organizations if we are to attract and train the next generation of teachers.

That’s one of my interests – I suspect that the present types of organizations common in dharma communities do not serve the teacher/student relationship in a way that will hook up Zen in the present with those in the future who might really take us to the next level of cultural integration.

Another tendency in Zen organizations is to borrow from the nonprofit world and find things that work, like the Carver Governance Model (a modern power approach). This is an important development and … in so doing, I fear that we may be bracketing our community/organizational life from the insights and teaching of the dharma and their direct application to our dharma relationships and organizations.

We could use our training to make dharma relationships and organizations more fully alive if could apply Zen now in a dynamically creative manner, for example, in which Dogen wrote. I think that’s our challenge.

What I can do now is lay out some “third option” reflections.

Post-modern is the third form of power along with traditional and modern. I’m borrowing and copying a lot here from Michele Focaut and David White, as I said a couple posts ago.

A few more highlights about post-modern power:

All of these bullets are in contrast to the relatively static power relationships in traditional and modern power.

Practically how does it work? A simple example: when a student is working with me on shikantaza, I usually have them begin working through the Genjokoan, which I think is a wonderful foundational text on how to do Zen. Just take the first line,

When all dharmas are of the buddhadharma, there is illusion and enlightenment, contem­plation and action, birth and death, buddhas and sentient beings.

Most people want to use an understanding of this that they’ve gleaned from commentaries, talks, who-knows-where, and talk about the relative and absolute.

That’s got nothing to do with it. And although parroting another’s understanding won’t do at all if a person is to find and express living Zen, the post-modern approach is not to use the vertical alone (“Show me more!”) or affirm a view just because it is somebody’s idea (a more horizontal approach). My aim is to throw out neither the vertical nor the horizontal.

When both the vertical and horizontal are strong, clear, and flexible then the possibilities open-ended.

And here’s my cop-out. If you want something really nailed down on how to “do” post-modern, well, that’s not post-modern power. Post-modern power requires that we apply the principles and sit in a somewhat uncomfortable position much of the time.

Okay, that’s all I can do today. I’m going kayaking over the weekend and then to the Zen conference. I’ll be checking in though and am curious about how this impacts you, blog reader.

Comments from you might help me refine this so they would be especially welcome.

Uncategorized

Previous Post



July 8, 2008

Inmates Running the Asylum (second of three on power – see below)

Next Post



July 15, 2008


Browse Our Archives

Select a Category Uncategorized

Select a Month August 2023 July 2023 June 2023 May 2023 April 2023 March 2023 February 2023 January 2023 December 2022 November 2022 October 2022 September 2022 August 2022 July 2022 June 2022 May 2022 April 2022 March 2022 February 2022 January 2022 December 2021 November 2021 August 2021 June 2021 April 2021 February 2021 January 2021 November 2020 September 2020 August 2020 July 2020 June 2020 May 2020 April 2020 January 2020 December 2019 November 2019 August 2019 June 2019 May 2019 April 2019 February 2019 January 2019 December 2018 November 2018 October 2018 September 2018 August 2018 July 2018 June 2018 May 2018 April 2018 March 2018 February 2018 January 2018 December 2017 November 2017 October 2017 September 2017 August 2017 July 2017 June 2017 December 2016 October 2016 June 2016 April 2016 February 2016 January 2016 December 2015 November 2015 October 2015 August 2015 June 2015 May 2015 April 2015 March 2015 February 2015 January 2015 December 2014 November 2014 October 2014 September 2014 August 2014 July 2014 June 2014 May 2014 April 2014 March 2014 February 2014 January 2014 December 2013 November 2013 October 2013 September 2013 August 2013 July 2013 June 2013 May 2013 April 2013 March 2013 February 2013 January 2013 December 2012 November 2012 October 2012 September 2012 August 2012 July 2012 June 2012 May 2012 April 2012 March 2012 February 2012 January 2012 December 2011 November 2011 October 2011 September 2011 August 2011 July 2011 June 2011 May 2011 April 2011 March 2011 February 2011 January 2011 December 2010 November 2010 October 2010 September 2010 August 2010 July 2010 June 2010 May 2010 April 2010 March 2010 February 2010 January 2010 December 2009 November 2009 October 2009 September 2009 August 2009 July 2009 June 2009 May 2009 April 2009 March 2009 February 2009 January 2009 December 2008 November 2008 October 2008 September 2008 August 2008 July 2008 June 2008 May 2008


Follow Us!

Follow Us on Facebook



TAKE THE

Religious Wisdom Quiz

Who was Boaz's mother?

Select your answer to see how you score.

Sarah Naomi Rahab Ruth

Related posts from Wild Fox Zen

Buddhist

Throw Yourself Into the House of Buddha: The...

Wild Fox Zen

Buddhist

New Vine Ghost Site for Dosho's Creative Endeavors...

Wild Fox Zen

Buddhist

Gnawing Through Qiánfēng’s Three Illnesses and Two Lights

Wild Fox Zen

Buddhist

"Why, Oh Why, Is My Practice Not Progressing?"

Wild Fox Zen

TRENDING AT PATHEOS Buddhist

On Taking Refuge in the Dharma

(Here I continue the feature of sharing talks and essays by teachers...

Easy, Right? A Dharma Talk

(Continuing my intention to share talks and essays by other members of Empty...

The Subtle Art of Bowing: A Dharma Discourse

(This presentation was first offered by my dear friend Dharma Holder Tom...

Internal Family Systems Can Heal you Mentally &...

How IFS Helped Me Stop Fighting Myself Internal Family Systems (IFS) is...

The Bible No One Spoke About: A Family’s...

A mysterious family Bible, unspoken faith, and a journey from curiosity to...

How Uncertainty Can Transform Your Life in 2025

Embracing Uncertainty: A New Year’s Resolution for the Brave As 2025 approaches,...

view all Buddhist blogs

Patheos on Facebook Patheos on YouTube

Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support

Copyright 2008-2026, Patheos. All rights reserved.

Subscription Support Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In

Follow Patheos Patheos on Facebook Patheos on YouTube