Patheos

BuddhistCatholicContemplativeEvangelicalGeneral ChristianHinduJewishLatter-day SaintMuslimNew VisionsProgressive Christian

Beliefs

Topics

Columnists

Resource Library

Research Tools

Video

Podcasts

Thought Readers

Faith In Media Tracker

Newsletters

Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support

Patheos

Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support

Follow Patheos Patheos on Facebook Patheos on YouTube

Unequally Yoked

[Turing 2012] Christian Answer #5

Last updated on: January 11, 2013 at 11:58 pm   by Leah Libresco

[Turing 2012] Christian Answer #5 2013-01-11T23:58:21-05:00 Leah Libresco

LOGO Patheos Explore the world's faith through different perspectives on religion and spirituality! Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world.

This is the fifth entry in the Christian round of the 2012 Ideological Turing Test for Religion. In this round, the honest answers of Christians are mixed in with atheists’ best efforts to talk like Christians. It’s your job to see if you can spot the difference. The voting link appears at the end of the entry, and you can look at all entries in this round here.

 

When (if ever) have you deferred to your philosophical or theological system over your intuitions?

As a Catholic I believe in truth. I think there is one truth, that truths don’t contradict each other, and that truth flows directly from being, i.e., from reality. Now, as a human being, I’m naturally limited in knowledge to what I can learn from sense experience, and it’s possible to make mistakes when judging based on sense experience. Moreover, what one apprehends to be the case may not actually be so. However, since in matters that admit confusion or error we make recourse to more fundamental principles to clarify and correct less certain conjectures, and since the origin of faith is God, who is also the originator of all being and the supreme knower of creation, if faith contradicts an intuition, then I should prefer faith (as a higher and more perfect principle of truth) and try to see where my intuition goes astray. Faith doesn’t contradict rational truths but sometimes leads us to them when they’re difficult to find otherwise. So, yes, there have been occasions, (e.g., predestination) but these are always chances for deeper investigation and clarification — not for blind submission and the repression of contrary impulses. And I investigate with the assurance (so far never proven wrong) that things will resolve themselves in a non-contradictory way.

 

Are there people whose opinions on morality you trust more than your own? How do you recognize them? How is trusting them different than trusting someone’s opinion on physics?

There are people whose opinions I trust on morality more than my own. I trust them based on demonstrated personal sanctity and sometimes the authority of a person’s teaching office. So, for example, an older priest I know is trustworthy because I know him to be a good and humble man who has spent much of his life developing an understanding of the human person in relationship with God and the various ways that virtues, passions, vices, etc. contribute to the perfection of that relationship. A moral authority is different from a physicist in the nature/acquisition of their knowledge and the way in which it’s recognized. The physicist’s knowledge is based on experimental data that I will never be able to replicate, and yields mathematical models that are wildly counterintuitive and sometimes incomprehensible. The moral authority’s knowledge is based on clarity of thought and a recognition of the good, which can be verified with considerably less difficulty, if not through immediate reflection, then through moral development and experience.

 

Can you name any works of art (interpreted pretty broadly: books, music, plays, poetry, mathematical proofs, etc) which really capture the way you see life/fill you with a sense of awe and wonder? You can give a short explanation or just list a few pieces.

Beethoven’s 7th Symphony, especially the first two movements. Mahler’s symphonies (esp. 5,8,9). Psalms 69, 144, 97. The Magnificat. Sonnet 29. Bernard of Clairvaux on the degrees of pride.

 

Click here to judge this entry, and, once you’ve voted, feel free to speculate and trade theories in the comments or look at other entries in this round.

Ideological Turing Test

Christian Turing answers 2012

Turing answers 2012

Previous Post



June 4, 2012

[Turing 2012] Christian Answer #4

Next Post



June 5, 2012 [Turing 2012] Christian Answer #6


Browse Our Archives

Select a Category 7 Quick Takes Apologetics Atheism Book Conversion Debate Tactics Debates Epistemology/Philosophy Housekeeping Ideological Turing Test Marriage Morality in Practice Parsing Catholicism Possibly Heretical Radio Reviews/Recommendations Sequence Index Spiritual Practice Uncategorized

Select a Month April 2017 March 2017 January 2017 December 2016 September 2016 August 2016 July 2016 June 2016 May 2016 April 2016 March 2016 February 2016 January 2016 December 2015 November 2015 October 2015 September 2015 August 2015 July 2015 June 2015 May 2015 April 2015 March 2015 February 2015 January 2015 December 2014 November 2014 October 2014 September 2014 August 2014 July 2014 June 2014 May 2014 April 2014 March 2014 February 2014 January 2014 December 2013 November 2013 October 2013 September 2013 August 2013 July 2013 June 2013 May 2013 April 2013 March 2013 February 2013 January 2013 December 2012 November 2012 October 2012 September 2012 August 2012 July 2012 June 2012 May 2012 April 2012 March 2012 February 2012 January 2012 December 2011 November 2011 October 2011 September 2011 August 2011 July 2011 June 2011 May 2011 April 2011 March 2011 February 2011 January 2011 December 2010 November 2010 October 2010 September 2010 August 2010 July 2010 June 2010


Follow Us!

Follow Us on Facebook Follow Us on Twitter



TAKE THE

Religious Wisdom Quiz

Who was Rahab's great-great-grandson?

Select your answer to see how you score.

Solomon Boaz Jesse King David

Related posts from Unequally Yoked

Catholic

Sophisters, Economists, and Calculators Succeed on the Last...

Unequally Yoked

Catholic

The Judges Lose The Ritual Round of the...

Unequally Yoked

Catholic

A (Narrow) Win for T.H. White in the...

Unequally Yoked

Catholic

No One Won The 'Underappreciated' Round of the...

Unequally Yoked

TRENDING AT PATHEOS Catholic

Rejecting Doom: Christian Hope And Human Action

Christianity is a religion of hope. We are to have hope and...

It’s What Comes From Within Which Matters

One of the most difficult things for us to understand is why...

Why I Choose the Eucharist Over the Sermon

Choose the Eucharist, Not the Sermon What are we supposed to get...

5 Design Elements Found in Spiritually Rooted Homes

Putting Spirituality Into Home Decor Our homes are more than our living...

Credo: A Story of God Told with the...

About 10 years ago, I began to imagine a personal "Credo" that...

The Anatomy of Divine Revelation in Catholic Thought

The claim that God has made Himself known to human beings is...

view all Catholic blogs

Patheos on Facebook Patheos on YouTube

Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support

Copyright 2008-2026, Patheos. All rights reserved.

Subscription Support Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In

Follow Patheos Patheos on Facebook Patheos on YouTube