Patheos

BuddhistCatholicContemplativeEvangelicalGeneral ChristianHinduJewishLatter-day SaintMuslimNew VisionsProgressive Christian

Beliefs

Topics

Columnists

Resource Library

Research Tools

Video

Podcasts

Thought Readers

Faith In Media Tracker

Newsletters

Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support

Patheos

Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support

Follow Patheos Patheos on Facebook Patheos on YouTube

Unequally Yoked

Hail to the Cylinder God!

Last updated on: April 10, 2012 at 8:49 pm   by Leah Libresco

Hail to the Cylinder God! 2012-04-10T20:49:13-04:00 Leah Libresco

LOGO Patheos Explore the world's faith through different perspectives on religion and spirituality! Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world.

This is the second post in a series about math and morality. You can see all posts in the series here.

I knew I’d get along with my soon-to-be friend Matt from our first discussion of theology. Matt was explaining why he saw paradox as the natural consequence finite humans trying to describe an infinite being, and he shifted right into the language of Flatland and topology.

“So imagine one religious group claims that God is a rectangle. And a rival sect claims that God is a circle. But there’s no reason to assume that God is confined to either of these ideas or that they represent a contradiction at all once you move beyond our limited perspective. God could be a cylinder, and each group simply had a different way of seeing him.”

This blind men and the elephant rhetoric can be useful, but it has some pretty difficult epistemological consequences. Once you adopt this way of way of conceiving of god is that it becomes almost impossible to rule out any possible property of God. If the circle and rectangle sects were joined by a new religious movement that claimed to have experienced God as a donut-shaped object, how would we decide if this was heresy or enlightenment? When would it be necessary to revise our idea of the hyperdimensional topological God? It would be terribly embarrassing to discover that we were supposed to be worshipping a torus this whole time!

There is no way to verify or test the topological structure of God. As long as a new idea can conceivably be harmonized with the old conceptions of God, it cannot be said to be untrue. The same uncertainty would hold for many properties of God. And, especially for such a high stakes question, this level of uncertainty is intolerable.

To gain tolerance, you are forced to sacrifice the possibility of judgment. People of faith are left in the same position as cultural relativists, unable to denounce any practice as fundamentally misguided or harmful. This framework of discussing God or any metaphysical concept ultimately rules out any possibility of useful discussions.

When we deal in abstractions, we need to confine our discussion to their projections into the observable universe. If two theories work equally well to explain our empirical observations of the world but have different metaphysical substructures, it is perfectly reasonable to choose one over the other on the basis of Occam’s Razor or any other aesthetic preference. The only way to choose between them is to devise an experiment whose results must be different depending on which universe we are living in. This is how the theory of the Big Bang won out over the Steady State model.

If two metaphysical theories make exactly the same predictions and do not differ on any point, I would question what is gained by differentiating between them (aside from thesis topics for philosophy PhDs).

For the rest of this series, I’m not going to dwell on the question of what kind of metaphysics underlies my ethics. I judge my theory by its correspondence with the observable world and trust that, if it is wrong, its flaws are either observable or irrelevant.

And tomorrow, I’ll finally be mixing some morality into this math lesson when I post on how we can experience and interpret moral strictures, even from our very limited perspective.

Epistemology/Philosophy

describing god

math and morality

non-euclidean theology

topology

Previous Post



August 1, 2010

"From dreams I proceed to facts"

Next Post



August 3, 2010 As sure as I am of anything


Browse Our Archives

Select a Category 7 Quick Takes Apologetics Atheism Book Conversion Debate Tactics Debates Epistemology/Philosophy Housekeeping Ideological Turing Test Marriage Morality in Practice Parsing Catholicism Possibly Heretical Radio Reviews/Recommendations Sequence Index Spiritual Practice Uncategorized

Select a Month April 2017 March 2017 January 2017 December 2016 September 2016 August 2016 July 2016 June 2016 May 2016 April 2016 March 2016 February 2016 January 2016 December 2015 November 2015 October 2015 September 2015 August 2015 July 2015 June 2015 May 2015 April 2015 March 2015 February 2015 January 2015 December 2014 November 2014 October 2014 September 2014 August 2014 July 2014 June 2014 May 2014 April 2014 March 2014 February 2014 January 2014 December 2013 November 2013 October 2013 September 2013 August 2013 July 2013 June 2013 May 2013 April 2013 March 2013 February 2013 January 2013 December 2012 November 2012 October 2012 September 2012 August 2012 July 2012 June 2012 May 2012 April 2012 March 2012 February 2012 January 2012 December 2011 November 2011 October 2011 September 2011 August 2011 July 2011 June 2011 May 2011 April 2011 March 2011 February 2011 January 2011 December 2010 November 2010 October 2010 September 2010 August 2010 July 2010 June 2010


Follow Us!

Follow Us on Facebook Follow Us on Twitter



TAKE THE

Religious Wisdom Quiz

What was the main language of Jesus’ daily speech?

Select your answer to see how you score.

Aramaic Latin Greek Hebrew

Related posts from Unequally Yoked

Catholic

Rational Faith: More working hypothesis than logical proof

Unequally Yoked

Catholic

Life Lessons that Can't be Taught at College's...

Unequally Yoked

Catholic

Books that Change the Way You Think [Radio...

Unequally Yoked

Catholic

Your religion... is it bigger than a breadbox?

Unequally Yoked

TRENDING AT PATHEOS Catholic

Rejecting Doom: Christian Hope And Human Action

Christianity is a religion of hope. We are to have hope and...

It’s What Comes From Within Which Matters

One of the most difficult things for us to understand is why...

Why I Choose the Eucharist Over the Sermon

Choose the Eucharist, Not the Sermon What are we supposed to get...

5 Design Elements Found in Spiritually Rooted Homes

Putting Spirituality Into Home Decor Our homes are more than our living...

Credo: A Story of God Told with the...

About 10 years ago, I began to imagine a personal "Credo" that...

The Anatomy of Divine Revelation in Catholic Thought

The claim that God has made Himself known to human beings is...

view all Catholic blogs

Patheos on Facebook Patheos on YouTube

Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support

Copyright 2008-2026, Patheos. All rights reserved.

Subscription Support Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In

Follow Patheos Patheos on Facebook Patheos on YouTube