Patheos

BuddhistCatholicContemplativeEvangelicalGeneral ChristianHinduJewishLatter-day SaintMuslimNew VisionsProgressive Christian

Beliefs

Topics

Columnists

Resource Library

Research Tools

Video

Podcasts

Thought Readers

Faith In Media Tracker

Newsletters

Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support

Patheos

Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support

Follow Patheos Patheos on Facebook Patheos on YouTube

Fr. Dwight Longenecker

A Glimpse Into the Anglican Mind

Last updated on: November 30, 2010 at 7:01 pm   by Fr. Dwight Longenecker

A Glimpse Into the Anglican Mind 2010-11-30T19:01:00-05:00 Fr. Dwight Longenecker

LOGO Patheos Explore the world's faith through different perspectives on religion and spirituality! Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world.

“Flying Vic” is, I believe a Vicar in the Church of England. He seems a very nice fellow. He takes the time to read this blog and contribute courteous and thoughtful comments. I’m glad he’s here. He’s submitted a rather long comment on my post–the Protestant Dilemna– that I thought worth publishing along with my replies.

Vic writes:

Father, your question that you “ask all Protestants” reveals your own longing for that ‘certainty’ that is sought in accepting the authority of another. When I read the word ‘longing’ and see the word ‘certainty’ in quotes. I sense that this is a polite way of saying, “Poor you–somehow emotionally and intellectually too weak to deal with uncertainty and you clearly need the security blanket of ‘certainty’. I may be reading too much into the words, but if this is the sentiment it would not surprise me. Most liberals hold exactly this view about those who hold dogmatic beliefs. And behind that longing is the wish that there may be one single Truth that can be expressed unequivocally in human language. This is not actually true. The Catholic understanding is that the ultimate Truth is a mystery beyond human expression. However, we do believe that the expression of that Truth which is revealed by God can be expressed in, albeit, limited human language. The unspoken premise underlying the question is that you believe Roman Catholics have possession of that truth and have the authority to claim exclusive right of ownership. This is a straw man. We do not believe this at all. Instead we believe that God’s Truth is spread out across creation, across the expressions of all human religions and across the entire sweep of history and philosophy and learning and the arts. Catholic Truth is one part of that whole vast Truth–we don’t contend that it includes all Truth–there is still much to be learned and much to be gathered wherever God’s truth lies it is Catholic Truth and we embrace it. However, we do affirm that the revealed truth that is stated within the Catholic religion is true as far as it goes. What is disconcerting in Vic’s expression is the suspicion that Vic doesn’t actually believe in such a thing as Divine Revelation. Instead I wonder if he holds the typical modernist view that religion is a provisional thing, formed in certain historical periods by the longing human heart and cultural conditions and certain circumstances. As such it is a human construct–an expression of humanity’s longing for immortality–but certainly not infallible divine revelation.

For all sorts of reasons I think your question is flawed; but to answer it as it stands: I have no authority to believe that my interpretation of anything is ‘right’ – certainly not to the extent that I may categorise all others as ‘wrong’ – beyond that promise in Scripture that the Holy Spirit will lead God’s people into all truth. Yes, this is my point. Neither do I think I have such authority, but I believe the Catholic Church does. Undoubtedly there will be some who are in error, just as there will be some on the path to the truth who will close their minds to the possibility of any further understanding. Every day each one of us will make our major and minor moral decisions based upon our judgement and understanding of what is right – we can live no other way. Well, actually there is another way. Those of us who live within the Catholic tradition would say that what we believe and how we behave is very clearly stated for us in the Scriptures as interpreted by the Church’s Magisterium. Our personal judgment and conscience are to be formed by the teaching of the Church. Vic’s words here do give us a glimpse into the Anglican mind however. It is a mind of great goodwill and fine intent. If there is no clarity and no definition the lack is made up in a certain good natured, English sort of optimism and confidence that “We’ll muddle through in the end.”  If we are wise, however, we will remain open to the possibility that the Holy Spirit may lead us into a different and deeper perception of the truth and of what is right – and we will led to change (or clarify?) our mind. Indeed. This is not alien to Catholic thought. How this happens is outlined in Newman’s Essay on the Development of Doctrine.

You bring in to your question Mormons, Methodists, Moonies, Baptists, Pentecostals and Episcopalians, as if this kind of catalogue makes it self-evident that the lack of an over-arching and defining authority must be wrong. But is it? Where there is life there is profusion and variety. Where God has created conditions for growth in our garden there is growth indeed; but we are pleased to call it in its native state a jungle or a wilderness. Along comes a gardener…and in due course there may be in place of the ‘jungle’ a pattern of manicured lawns and precisely ordered flower-beds. That pattern may very well look beautiful to the human gardener, but who is to say that it conforms to what God either likes or intended? This is a choice passage. Pure Church of England. Nowhere on earth have I discovered a race of people who can so ably turn a tragedy into a triumph, praise their losers as heroes and their theological and ecclesial chaos as the beauty of a primitive jungle. This passage reminds me of the Dean of Kings College, Cambridge while I was there who seemed to be mistaking his agnosticism for the dark night of the soul.

We must draw the conclusion that Vic really does think that it doesn’t matter what religion you are as long as you are sincere. If that is not the case, (even a little) then there must be some border or boundary–some way of defining what religion is better or more true than another, and to do that you must have an authority to determine that boundary. If there must be an authority to determine that boundary, then my question to Protestants remains valid. 

However, this again does indicate a deeper philosophical disparity. We must draw from Vic’s jungle metaphor that the profusion is good and healthy and that one cannot make value judgments of any religion, therefore all religions must be equally valid. If all religions are equally valid, then I suspect this also indicates that he does not believe that one is divinely revealed, and that they all are human constructs of some sort. If none are revealed, and all are human constructs, then his conclusions are right and we may simply choose one which we like best or make a new one up if that pleases us. However, if one is revealed by God, then it is incumbent on us to determine which it is and why and why one might be more true than another and which one that is, and then cling to it.

You are pleased to invest your ‘authority’ question with ultimate significance, implying that “we have the answer, we have the authority, but you do not.” You write, “the commenter must tell us what authority declares that his preferred version of Anglicanism is the correct one.”

Why? For your soul’s salvation. I wonder also if Vic therefore thinks this is an irrelevant question. If what I suspected is true, and he believes that religion is a human construct then any idea of a soul’s salvation or damnation becomes moot. There is no such thing–or if there is such a thing as damnation it can never be linked with what one believes–only perhaps what one does. But if damnation is according to what one does, not what one believes, how does one determine what the right thing is to do? Without an authority and without divine revelation who can say that this is wrong and that is right? If Vic does not claim any authority to determine what is right or wrong in matters of belief why does he have the authority to determine what is right or wrong in matters of morals?

I may be reading too much into a short comment, and if I have mistaken Vic’s views I am more than happy to be corrected and hope in my blunt comments not to have offended against charity.

Uncategorized

Previous Post



November 30, 2010

Peeping through the Purple

Next Post



December 1, 2010 The Magic Circle


Browse Our Archives

Select a Category Anglican Matters Apologetics Architecture Blobble Study Book Reviews Brideshead Caitlin O'Rourke Catholic Art Catholic Culture Church Politics Chust for Nice Contemporary Culture Duane Mandible Ed Blanch Film Reviews Fr Harvey Nicolaitan Frank Viola Mantilla the Hon More Christianity Mrs Brady Catholic Old Lady Mystery of the Magi Norman Anderson Queen Hillary Saints and Supernatural Spirituality The Inklings The Vicar Theology Todd Unctuous Uncategorized

Select a Month October 2019 September 2019 August 2019 July 2019 June 2019 May 2019 April 2019 March 2019 December 2018 November 2018 October 2018 August 2018 July 2018 June 2018 May 2018 April 2018 March 2018 February 2018 January 2018 December 2017 November 2017 October 2017 September 2017 August 2017 July 2017 June 2017 May 2017 April 2017 March 2017 February 2017 January 2017 December 2016 November 2016 October 2016 September 2016 August 2016 July 2016 June 2016 May 2016 April 2016 March 2016 February 2016 January 2016 December 2015 November 2015 October 2015 September 2015 August 2015 July 2015 June 2015 May 2015 April 2015 March 2015 February 2015 January 2015 December 2014 November 2014 October 2014 September 2014 August 2014 July 2014 June 2014 May 2014 April 2014 March 2014 February 2014 January 2014 December 2013 November 2013 October 2013 September 2013 August 2013 July 2013 June 2013 May 2013 April 2013 March 2013 February 2013 January 2013 December 2012 November 2012 October 2012 September 2012 August 2012 July 2012 June 2012 May 2012 April 2012 March 2012 February 2012 January 2012 December 2011 November 2011 October 2011 September 2011 August 2011 July 2011 June 2011 May 2011 April 2011 March 2011 February 2011 January 2011 December 2010 November 2010 October 2010 September 2010 August 2010 July 2010 June 2010 May 2010 April 2010 March 2010 February 2010 January 2010 December 2009 November 2009 October 2009 September 2009 August 2009 July 2009 June 2009 May 2009 April 2009 March 2009 February 2009 January 2009 December 2008 November 2008 October 2008 September 2008 August 2008 July 2008 June 2008 May 2008 April 2008 March 2008 February 2008 January 2008 December 2007 November 2007 October 2007 September 2007 August 2007 July 2007 June 2007 May 2007 April 2007 March 2007 February 2007 January 2007 December 2006 November 2006 October 2006 September 2006


Follow Us!

Follow Us on Facebook Follow Us on Twitter



TAKE THE

Religious Wisdom Quiz

Who danced with all his might before the LORD as the Ark was brought to Jerusalem?

Select your answer to see how you score.

Jonathan Samuel Nathan David

Related posts from Fr. Dwight Longenecker

Catholic

Episcopal Woman Priest Says Abortionists are "Saints"

Fr. Dwight Longenecker

Catholic

Pondering Slavery and Homosexual Actions

Fr. Dwight Longenecker

Catholic

Pachamama and the Pieta

Fr. Dwight Longenecker

Catholic

Pagans, Pantheism and Polytheism

Fr. Dwight Longenecker

TRENDING AT PATHEOS Catholic

Halloween, Tolkien, And The Victory of Grace

If I had to choose a favorite month of the year, it...

Creation, Preservation, and Teleology in Catholic Theology

As I write this, it is very early Monday morning. Like millions...

The Parable Of The Sower And The Word...

One of Christ’s most famous parables is that of the sower who...

Why I Choose the Eucharist Over the Sermon

Choose the Eucharist, Not the Sermon What are we supposed to get...

5 Design Elements Found in Spiritually Rooted Homes

Putting Spirituality Into Home Decor Our homes are more than our living...

Credo: A Story of God Told with the...

About 10 years ago, I began to imagine a personal "Credo" that...

view all Catholic blogs

Patheos on Facebook Patheos on YouTube

Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support

Copyright 2008-2026, Patheos. All rights reserved.

Subscription Support Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In

Follow Patheos Patheos on Facebook Patheos on YouTube