Patheos

BuddhistCatholicContemplativeEvangelicalGeneral ChristianHinduJewishLatter-day SaintMuslimNew VisionsProgressive Christian

Beliefs

Topics

Columnists

Resource Library

Research Tools

Video

Podcasts

Thought Readers

Faith In Media Tracker

Newsletters

Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support

Patheos

Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support

Follow Patheos Patheos on Facebook Patheos on YouTube

Putting the Protest in Protestant

Damned If You Do, Dead if You Don’t

Last updated on: August 11, 2016 at 4:41 pm   by D. G. Hart

Damned If You Do, Dead if You Don’t 2016-08-11T16:41:51-04:00 D. G. Hart

LOGO Patheos Explore the world's faith through different perspectives on religion and spirituality! Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world.

Trigger warning: this post may sound excessively pro-police. Don’t blame me. Blame David Simon, the journalist who with the Baltimore Sun spent a lot of time with homicide detectives and turned that into the Hollywood gold of Homicide and The Wire. How could you ever not have a little rooting interest for cops after watching Bunk Moreland and Jimmy McNulty for five seasons? (For that matter, how do live in the United States, dip into pop culture occasionally and miss the maybe not love but like affair Americans have with police? From Matt Dillon and Andy Taylor to NYPD Blue, Americans seem to enjoy watching television series about law enforcement.)

Now along comes a former Baltimore police officer who, by the way, went to Harvard as an undergrad and for a Ph.D., now teaches at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, and is a card-carrying liberal. I first him on a podcast with Glenn Loury at Bloggingheads.tv in the wake of the shootings by and of cops about a month ago and am now a regular reader of his blog on matters law enforcement. If you want to know how the mainstream media covers police poorly you should read Peter Moskos.

Just the other day he commented on an incident that took place in the Bronx when a man with apparent criminal intentions did pry loose a police officer’s and managed to kill an innocent store owner. Here is how Moskos frames a cop’s undertaking:

You’re a cop. There’s a chaotic scene. Your partner is wrestling with a man. The man is reaching for your partner’s gun. At least that is what you think. Do you shoot him?

If you do shoot, you will have killed an unarmed man of color and have to face the consequences: there will be protests; you will be on desk duty; you might face criminal trial for murder and lose your pay and your family’s health insurance. But thanks to your action, an innocent black man would still be alive.

If you don’t shoot, a man will take your partner’s gun and kill an innocent black man. But you’ll be OK, more or less: there will be no protests; you’ll face to independent investigation; your life and job won’t be terribly disrupted.

What would you do? Given this choice, what cop in his right mind would shoot the unarmed criminal and save a life? You’d have to be a martyr to make the morally correct choice.

But in hindsight, knowing what we now know, of course the cops should have shot and killed Guzman before he got control of the cop’s gun. Had police had been quicker to shoot and kill Guzman, Camara would still be alive. Though we wouldn’t know that. But had this happened, would you be willing to defend the officer’s decision to shoot as correct? Or “justified.” Or at the very least “reasonable?” Unless you’re a cop, my guess is probably not.

Guzman was a threat before he got shot, when he was still unarmed. Any time a man is trying to take a cop’s gun, cops are in a no-win pickle, since they’re fighting with an “unarmed man.” But being willing to kill a killer before he kills is not a flaw of policing; it’s a feature. By the time it was 100 percent clear Guzman was a lethal threat, it was too late. He got off fifteen rounds. Anybody on the block could have been shot and killed, but the fates picked Camara.

The problem, the logical fallacy even, is you never know for sure what will happen. Cops sure don’t. And they have to make split-second decisions. But when a man is fighting for control of your gun, he needs to be shot. Sooner rather than later. But that is not the lesson of Ferguson. Cops are fully aware of the potential consequences of even good shootings. Some people call this “progress.” I doubt it’s any consolation to Camara’s family and friends.

It’s an odd world we live in where during the day we live with a sense (sometimes justified) that cops are a major problem in our nation and then go home to relax with reruns of Law and Order. Peter Moskos helps to make it a little less odd.

Image

Popular culture

U.S. politics

Andy Griffith

David Simon

Glenn Loury

Peter Moskos

police

The Wire

Previous Post



August 10, 2016

If You Celebrate the American Founding, Legalize Drugs

Next Post



August 17, 2016 Church Unity Eliminates Jobs


Browse Our Archives

Select a Category 2016 Presidential Election 2020 Presidential Election Apocalypse Bible in American Life Biblical authority Books and culture Calvinism Church Life Civil Religion Culture Wars Doctrine evangelicalism Gullibility Heaven and Hell Intellectual life Jesus Ministry modernity moralism Nationalism New Testament Old Testament Otherworldiness Otherworldliness Paul Peter Piety Popular culture Protestantism Psalms Puritans Race Roman Catholicism sacred/secular distinction Sex Shameless Self Promotion Sports Ten Commandments U.S. politics Uncategorized vulgarity worship

Select a Month January 2022 October 2021 August 2021 June 2021 May 2021 April 2021 March 2021 February 2021 January 2021 December 2020 November 2020 October 2020 September 2020 August 2020 July 2020 June 2020 May 2020 April 2020 March 2020 February 2020 January 2020 December 2019 November 2019 October 2019 September 2019 August 2019 July 2019 June 2019 May 2019 April 2019 March 2019 February 2019 January 2019 December 2018 November 2018 October 2018 September 2018 August 2018 July 2018 June 2018 May 2018 April 2018 March 2018 February 2018 January 2018 December 2017 November 2017 October 2017 September 2017 August 2017 July 2017 June 2017 May 2017 April 2017 March 2017 February 2017 January 2017 December 2016 November 2016 October 2016 September 2016 August 2016 July 2016 June 2016 May 2016 April 2016 March 2016 February 2016 January 2016 December 2015 November 2015 October 2015 September 2015 August 2015 July 2015 June 2015 May 2015 April 2015 March 2015 February 2015 January 2015


Follow Us!

Follow Us on Twitter



TAKE THE

Religious Wisdom Quiz

Which Christian group practices foot washing as an ordinance?

Select your answer to see how you score.

Methodists Baptists Catholics Anabaptists

Related posts from Putting the Protest in Protestant

Evangelical

Do You need a Special Initiative to Do...

Putting the Protest in Protestant

Evangelical

What if Christianity is Not Reasonable?

Putting the Protest in Protestant

Evangelical

A Genealogy of Alarm

Putting the Protest in Protestant

Evangelical

Why Doesn't Joe Biden Talk about Faith the...

Putting the Protest in Protestant

TRENDING AT PATHEOS Evangelical

The REST of Your Life: A Creative Wrestles...

This week I had a conversation with a good friend from church....

How the author of the world's best hymn...

I've been working with John Newton for a while now. This makes...

Psalm 130 | Lectio Divina

Long before this Lectio Divina, Psalm 130 - the song - started...

What About the Trees? Another Living Parable

After I finished writing the last article about falling leaves as a...

Why Classical Education Is a Conversation, Not a...

Come and Read: Joy in Classical Education When I was a little...

What Happened at Cornell?

Cornell University has received a great deal of negative publicity and intense...

view all Evangelical blogs

Patheos on Facebook Patheos on YouTube

Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support

Copyright 2008-2026, Patheos. All rights reserved.

Subscription Support Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In

Follow Patheos Patheos on Facebook Patheos on YouTube