Patheos

BuddhistCatholicContemplativeEvangelicalGeneral ChristianHinduJewishLatter-day SaintMuslimNew VisionsProgressive Christian

Beliefs

Topics

Columnists

Resource Library

Research Tools

Video

Podcasts

Thought Readers

Faith In Media Tracker

Newsletters

Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support

Patheos

Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support

Follow Patheos Patheos on Facebook Patheos on YouTube

Philosophical Fragments

Why the Defenders of Traditional Marriage are Totally Like Nazis

Last updated on: February 1, 2013 at 10:27 am   by Timothy Dalrymple

Why the Defenders of Traditional Marriage are Totally Like Nazis 2013-02-01T10:27:54-04:00 Timothy Dalrymple

LOGO Patheos Explore the world's faith through different perspectives on religion and spirituality! Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world.

Several recent posts (here and here) on the topic of homosexuality and traditional Christian marriage evoked the usual hate mail, and some of it was worth reading. One comment, from a gentleman calling himself Joe Chip, illustrated why this conversation is so treacherous. Although it began with the usual ridiculousness (“Timothy Dalrymple is so wrong on every count it makes ones [sic] head spin”), it assumed ill motives on my part but turned in a more illuminating direction:

Timothy goes out of his way to dress up his animus directed towards homosexuals by using big words and appeals to authority. Increasingly, clear-thinking persons…are rejecting the “sophisticated theology” of the [defenders of “traditional marriage”). All we see is your actions, which really just boil down to making sure our homosexual brothers and sisters are forever classed as second class citizens in the eyes of the state.

Joe may find this impossible to believe, but the truth is that there are many gays I love and respect — some chaste and many sexually active, some Christian and many not. I consider them brothers and sisters as well. My love for them is no different than my love for my heterosexual friends. But Joe has never understood where people like myself are coming from. It seems irrational to him, and inconceivable that it could flow from loving motives — ergo people like myself must be driven by prejudice. Which is why, Joe says, it’s fitting — even though I myself have never done anything against the interests of gays except explain why I hold to traditional Christian teachings on sexuality and marriage — to liken me and those like me to Nazis, slaveowners and the exterminators of Native Americans:

It is absolutely appropriate to lump your ilk in with those who use the power of the State to oppress ‘the enemy’, at which times in history HAS been the Native American, the Jew, the Black Slave, the interracial married couple, and the Homosexual…I wish you had the courage simply to admit you don’t like homosexuals and don’t want them to have the same rights you enjoy…We don’t care about your words. We look at your actions and the suffering they cause to our friends.

It’s these final lines that I find helpful. This is not new to me. I’ve been a part of this conversation for several years now. But “Joe Chip” states clearly a very important point for the defenders of traditional marriage to understand. He goes on at greater length in a second comment:

[Timothy] works under the assumption that one can support denying fellow US citizens basic human rights (in this case, the right to marry) and yet remain ‘pure’ and should be above being called nasty names. He is shocked, shocked, [NOTE: I’m not shocked at all, I simply think it’s wrong] that “we have reached a point where anyone who believes gay sex is wrong or anyone who believes that marriage is ordained by God for the union of a man and a woman is ostracized and condemned as hateful, bigoted, and the equivalent of a racist. ”

Honestly, should a ‘nice person’ who claims to love women but still works to ensure they don’t have the right to vote be above criticism? Should a “kind master” not be condemned for owning slaves? Should a “Christian pastor” who believes a large segment of the citizens of his own country should never have the right to marry be untarnished?

WE DON’T CARE how nice you think you are. We look at your actions, which are devoted to making sure the State does as you think your religious book says and keeps your brothers and sisters from marrying.

Except, of course, (1) that I don’t believe there is a “right to marry,” much less a “basic human right” that any adult should be able to join himself or herself to any other adult and receive the full sanction and rewards of the state, and (2) I’m on record suggesting that Christians perhaps should no longer oppose a legal recognition of gay marriage, even if (I think) they should continue to insist on the moral teaching that acting on homosexual desires is wrong and the theological teaching that only male-female marriage is marriage in the eyes of God.

Yet this comment reflects the unfortunate legacy of draping the American gay-marriage movement in the flag of the civil rights struggle. Disagree on the definition of marriage or the morality of same-sex activity — and you’re some kind of Nazi. Neither your beliefs nor your motives matter. You simply are Bull Connor if your actions are not what the other side would prefer.

Let’s see how this would work in other areas. I believe that the unborn have a right to life. Let’s stipulate that Joe fights for abortion access. I don’t care that we disagree on the fundamental question at hand. I don’t care that he claims to care for life. What matters are his actions. He fights for abortion access — against the unborn’s right to life. Ergo he squashes human rights just like the Nazis. QED.

Or let’s take another example. I believe that business owners should have the religious freedom not to pay (even through insurance policies) for abortions or other services that go diametrically against their religious convictions. Let’s stipulate that Joe Chip does not, and takes actions to the contrary. I don’t care that he disagrees on whether I’m properly interpreting this right, and I care nothing for his claims to love small business owners. I just care that his actions deny my friends their basic human rights. Ergo he’s a human rights abuser on the level of those who slaughtered the Native Americans. QED.

Anybody else see the problem here?

gay marriage

Homosexuality

Previous Post



January 29, 2013

How Lance Armstrong Can Still Win the Race

Next Post



February 1, 2013 An Evangelical Argument for Permitting Same-Sex Marriage Laws


Browse Our Archives

Select a Category Abortion Abortion adoption Africa Aging AIDS America Worship American history Americolatry An Open Letter to a College Freshman animals Apologetics art Atheism Authors Barack Obama Bible Biblical Scholarship Billy Graham Blogging Bono Book Review Books That Change Lives Breakfast Links Bulletin Board Business Children Christian Approach to Politics Christian Media Christian Right Derangement Syndrome Christianity and Homosexuality Christians in Government Christmas Chuck Colson CLS v Martinez Comic Creation Creativity and the Arts Cross Examinations Cross Investigations Daily Fragment Daily Trinity Death debt Deep Thoughts on Fatherhood depression economy education Election 2012 entertainment Environment Epistemology Erik Campano Euthanasia Evangelicalism Evangelicals and Gays Everyday Transcendence evil evolution Facebook Jesus faith Faith and Politics Faith and Politics Faith and Politics Faith and Politics Faith and Politics Faith and Politics Faith and Politics faith and reason family Feminism foreign affairs Franklin Graham Future of Evangelicalism Galen D. gay marriage George W. Bush Guest Posts Guns Gymnastics Harold Camping Heaven Hell Holidays Hollywood Homosexuality iam2.org Illegal Immigration immigration Immigration Reform Injustice Inspiration Interviews Islam Jeremy Lin Jesus jesus christ John Mark Reynolds Johnnie Moore Judgment Day Just War Theory Killing Osama Link of the Day Lists of the Week Mark Goldblatt Marriage Military Missions Mitt Romney Modern Western Thought Monastic wisdom Mormonism Morning Hash Morning Report Motherhood Movies Obamacare Old Testament Orphan Care Palin Parenting Pastoral Resources Patheos Peace Between Religions PEPFAR Persecution Peter Wehner Peter Wehner Philosophy Political Quotes of the Day politics Politics and Economics Pornography Prejudice Prisoner Rape Question of the Week Race Radical Faith Rapture Ravi Zacharias Rick Santorum Russia Salvation Sarah Palin Scandals Science Science and Faith Separation of Church and State Series sex sex slavery social justice Social Justice Ministry Spiritual Disciplines sports Steven Tyler Suffering Suicide Sunday Funnies T. Dalrymple Tea Party Technology terrorism The Christian Media Files The Daily Trinity The Electorate The Ethics of Rhetoric The Future of Seminary Education The Middle East The Obama Presidency theological Theological Renewal Theology Uncategorized Understanding Evangelicalism Vocation war War and Peace With Distinction Word to the Wise Writers

Select a Month October 2015 June 2015 May 2015 March 2015 December 2014 September 2014 August 2014 July 2014 June 2014 May 2014 April 2014 March 2014 February 2014 January 2014 December 2013 November 2013 October 2013 September 2013 August 2013 July 2013 June 2013 May 2013 April 2013 March 2013 February 2013 January 2013 December 2012 November 2012 October 2012 September 2012 August 2012 July 2012 June 2012 May 2012 April 2012 March 2012 February 2012 January 2012 December 2011 November 2011 October 2011 September 2011 August 2011 July 2011 June 2011 May 2011 April 2011 March 2011 February 2011 January 2011 December 2010 November 2010 October 2010 September 2010 August 2010 July 2010 June 2010 May 2010 April 2010 March 2010 October 2009 September 2009 August 2009 July 2009 June 2009


Follow Us!

Follow Us on Facebook Follow Us on Twitter



TAKE THE

Religious Wisdom Quiz

Who had a vision of a great sheet filled with unclean animals?

Select your answer to see how you score.

John Peter Stephen Paul

Related posts from Philosophical Fragments

Evangelical

Reflections on the Gay Marriage Decision

Philosophical Fragments

Evangelical

Gay Unions and Christian Divisions

Philosophical Fragments

Evangelical

Where Franklin Graham Has Gone Wrong

Philosophical Fragments

Evangelical

The Right Lesson to Learn from the World...

Philosophical Fragments

TRENDING AT PATHEOS Evangelical

To Halloween or Not to Halloween… That Is...

This week, as I put the finishing touches on my church’s Trunk...

Creation as Secondary to Judgment

Creating is a most human act. A good canonical (classical) education will...

The REST of Your Life: A Creative Wrestles...

This week I had a conversation with a good friend from church....

Nuggets of Wisdom—Fall 2026

Every few months or so I like to share quotes that I...

How the author of the world's best hymn...

I've been working with John Newton for a while now. This makes...

Psalm 130 | Lectio Divina

Long before this Lectio Divina, Psalm 130 - the song - started...

view all Evangelical blogs

Patheos on Facebook Patheos on YouTube

Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support

Copyright 2008-2026, Patheos. All rights reserved.

Subscription Support Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In

Follow Patheos Patheos on Facebook Patheos on YouTube