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Can We Trust the Mystics and Prophets?
Last updated on: November 3, 2024 at 12:54 pm by Dorian Scott Cole
Can We Trust the Mystics and Prophets? 2024-11-03T12:54:01-06:00 Dorian Scott Cole
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As explained in my previous article on Discerning Truth in a World of Spiritual Ideas, we know that every individual has some ability to transcend their physical boundaries. But the accuracy of information may be questionable. Many people have really good mystical abilities.
Mysticism concerns the preparation of the person for, the consciousness and the effect of a direct and transformative presence of God or divine love through contemplative practices.
Sometimes we get bogged down in the details and miss the point. For example, we had a Siamese cat that was a cross between a blue point and a seal point. It was a “What’s the point?”

Transcendent, mystic, from Woman In Red Dress on Pickpic, CC0 License. Modified by Dorian Scott Cole
Reference verse:
“We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ ….”
– 2 Corinthians 10:5
How does the church view mysticism?
Both Catholics and Protestants consider Christian mysticism to be valid additions to their faith. Catholics have a long tradition with mystics. Protestants lean more toward doctrine but at minimum tolerate mystics. Quakers, Anglicans, Methodists,Episcopalians, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Local Churches, Pentecostals, Adventists, and Charismatics have in various ways remained open to the idea of mystical experiences.
The Catholic Church views mysticism as a union with Christ through the sacraments and the Holy Trinity, and a participation in the mystery of Christ. The Church also teaches that God calls all people to this union, but only some are given special graces or signs of this mystical life.
The famous Baptist preacher, C.H. Spurgeon, was considered a mystic. “Baptists are certainly resistant to esoteric spirituality, and dismissive of gnostic claims to special extra-biblical revelation. We are deeply committed to a biblically shaped faith and experience,” as mentioned on Living Witily.
Contemplation drives mysticism
Contemplative practices range from simple prayerful meditation of holy scripture (i.e. Lectio Divina) to contemplation on the presence of God, resulting in theosis (spiritual union with God) and ecstatic visions of the soul’s mystical union with God.
Three stages are discerned in contemplative practice, namely catharsis (purification), contemplation proper, and the vision of God.
This is probably different from what I do and many other religious people do. I focus on or “contemplate” certain aspects of Biblical thought or questions, and hope for divine leadership in my research. At some point things rationally and intuitively make sense and stand up to strict analysis using love as the standard. I don’t consider this mystical.
The value in mysticism
Is there any real value in mystical experiences and knowledge? If these are about knowledge, then secret knowledge that is only available to a few is viewed with disdain by Christianity. It’s Gnosticism. Christianity is about emulating divine love. It’s active. It’s not about knowledge.
I have conversations with cats. I learn very little from them. We have two new kittens. The conversation goes like this when they try to get on the table to sample our food:
Me: I don’t share food with cats. Do I go to your food bowl and eat?
The cat keeps coming toward my plate.
I put the cat on the floor.
Me: No kitties on tables.
Cat: But food.
The cat circles the table and comes up again.
I grab the cat and put it down.
Me: No kitties on tables.
Cat: You surely can’t mean that.
The cat circles the table and comes up again.
I grab the cat and put it down.
Me: No kitties on tables.
Cat: You have to share.
The cat circles the table and comes up again.
I grab the cat and put it down.
Me: No kitties on tables.
Cat: No is a definite maybe.
The cat circles the table and comes up again.
I grab the cat and put it down.
Me: No kitties on tables.
Cat: Okay, I’ll wait until you’re distracted and then it will be okay.
A moment later the cat circles the table and comes up again.
I grab the cat and put it down.
Me: No kitties on tables.
Cat: There will be leftovers. And my presence will be okay at the next meal.
This must be some form of circumlocution. No matter how much I speak, the cat goes round and round and just doesn’t get it.
It seems to be the same with love. Pastors speak on and on about love, but we just don’t get it. This may be why we need mystics.
The Catholic Church authenticates mystical experiences by the personal transformation of the mystic and the people they affect.
Since the protestant church depends more on the Bible and doctrine, mystics are viewed with skepticism. It’s sometimes better for them to remain silent.
Yet mystical experiences are thought to affirm the Bible, and could be tailored to the particular cultural and theological issues of the time. They can be a vehicle of deeper understanding, free from the clutter of self-serving religiosity grounded in culture and tradition.
Theologians study mysticism, thinking that it is a fundamental part of Christian theology. They believe mystics are witnesses to the origins of Christianity and central to it. Theologians and psychoanalysts view it as a bridge into knowing the human condition.
Modern mystics
Edgar Cayce. He was a devout Christian who had many psychic abilities in a trance state.
William S. Sadler. Surgeon and psychiatrist.
Richard Foster (theologian). Author.
Mysticism versus prophecy
MRI studies of people having mystical experiences show different areas of the brain to be more active. They may be in a state similar to meditation. Some have visions.
Mystics are usually people who examine their own conscience, not those of others. Mystical experiences can happen to anyone, and merit is not a consideration.
A mystical experience can be marked by these common features, according to the Mclean Meditation Institute:
- It’s expansive and transcends time and space.
- One’s self-image is overshadowed by the experience of the Divine.
- There’s a total abandonment of consciousness of the senses and material reality.
- There’s a realization of the perfection of life and intelligence of creation.
- There’s a sense of sacredness and a realization of deep inner peace.
- There’s a deep sense of interconnection with the whole universe and its Creator.
The purpose and temporary end of prophecy
By understanding the use of prophecy in the Bible, we can better understand the use of later prophecy.
Ancient prophets had very specific methods of calling from God to their position as prophets. They were very humble people who had dreams or visions to initiate their calling and messages from God. They might be considered protectors of their ancient scripture.
Prophecy in ancient times had specific purposes. It wasn’t about predicting the future, although there was an element of that.
Prophets called people who were drifting away from God back to God. These were usually calling the Israelites, but sometimes were sent to people in other lands. We understand from the wisdom literature of the Book of Jonah, that the prophet carried a picture of destruction, but destroying wasn’t the goal. Change was the goal.
Prophets brought messages of hope during difficult times. They foretold the Day of the Lord in which God would punish their invaders and oppressors and restore their land to them.
During the prophetic age before and during the Israelite deportation into Babylon, prophetic messages about a Messiah were common and very descriptive.
The new king of Babylon, Persian King Cyrus the Great, who allowed the Isrealites to return and rebuild their temple in 538 BCE, was considered to be the Messiah they expected. Prophecy ceased among the Israelites. It was believed later by the Sadducees and probably Pharisees that their scriptures were complete and there was no longer any need for God to speak. They had what they needed.
Some prophecy may have entered into end times predictions. This most likely satisfied the lust of some people for punishment of the wicked. But it was dangerous territory because no person, not even Jesus, knows the day of the end of the age or the end of the world. A thousand year period was unfathomable to ancient people and likely meant, “too far in the future to be known.”
Almost all prophecy was grounded in recent events. Coming events were meant to happen within a few years. Jesus’ prophecy about his return was thought to be within their lifetime by the apostles, and likely meant when the church had taken solid root, then Jesus would be among them as people who make up Jesus body on earth. That took 250 to 300 years to fully take root in the region.
The apostles were given the gift of prophecy with the coming of the Holy Spirit on them. But they usually had more questions than answers. Notably, the Apostle Paul had visions related to some questions about what Jewish law to put on the non-Jews. The answer, they finally realized, was none. Love was a sufficient requirement. We don’t know any specific prophecy the apostles gave except to repeat what Jesus told them.
The early church had prophets, but the various gifts the early church had were contentious. They were considered to be there for the development of the church and only for a season. They would diminish.
Prophets of today
I believe that God is still speaking. We serve a living God, not one as dead as an ancient language. God speaks to us through intuition as we read scripture or even a magazine. As we grow in experience and spiritually we see different things in scripture.
Are there those who have verifiable prophetic gifts? We have to ask, “Is there a Godly purpose for these gifts?” Perhaps some within the person’s sphere need reminded of scripture and the danger of ignoring God’s place in our lives. Could happen.
For those who think current events mean the end is near, and spend more time looking for those signs than for telling others about God’s gifts for us, I have very little affirmative to say. The world is a much better place in many ways than it was 100 to 2000 years ago. Things only look horrible when that is all you look for.
Mysticism seems to be an intensely personal experience that is transformative, and infrequently has a specific message for others. The actions of the mystics speak louder than their illuminating knowledge.
Prophecy has a very direct message about either a necessary transformation because people have drifted too far from God and must come back, or to bring hope for a better future.
Seeing what you’re looking for
I think people find exactly what they look for. If you’re looking for the worst in people and events, that’s what you find. If you’re looking for the best in people and a brighter future, this is what you find.
Experiments with people looking at a blank wall and trying to see the future seem to have two outcomes. For some they see destruction and a bleak world. For others they see a bright future of the earth in harmony. We program ourselves to see one outcome or another by what we feed ourselves. If we suck in all of the bad things in the world and ruminate on them, this is what we look for and find.
An example is the TV minister, Jack Van Impe. He spent his time preaching end of the world or age theology. In the 1990s he began talking about aliens visiting from other planets. He thought they were fallen angels and were going to bring a massive invasion of earth. Didn’t happen.
Others, if they think about aliens at all, may perceive them as beings far superior to us, either mentors or here to exploit resources.
From the evidence, my suspicion is that there are aliens, but I don’t speculate on who they are or what they want. They have no impact on my perception that God is love and this applies across the universe.
When evaluating these religious experiences, not that I spend any time evaluating them, my thoughts always turn to the Bible passage Philipians 4: 8-9: “Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell [ruminate] on these things. The things you have learned and received and heard and see in me, practice these things, and the God of peace will be with you.”
When we keep our minds on Jesus and the God of love, and the good that they bring, everything else diminishes in importance. Fear and hate diminish.
Conclusion
It’s not my place to evaluate mystic experiences and prophecy. Love is the evaluation. We have to remember, going beyond our physical limitations can be tricky. Are our egos in the way? Are our illusions about what our lives are benefited by in the way?
It is my place to remind others that people find what they’re looking for. Jesus said, “for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.” (Matthew 6:21) and “But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man.” (Matthew 15:18 )
So when we think about good things, then our thoughts and words come from a good place. And when we ruminate on everything bad, then our thoughts and words come from a bad place.
We are or become what we think. Be careful what you think. No kitties on tables. But terrible things and fearful events!
Probability Space
What probability spaces can we open in our minds to start understanding what are valid mystical and prophetic experiences?
Potential Space
If you think creatively and allow your mind to wander and explore, do mystical experiences play a role in our spiritual lives?
Series links
Is Religion Spiritual or Stuck in Comfort?
The Life-Giving Power of Spiritual Development
Alley Cats to Angels: Spiritual Growth Transformative Power
Discerning Truth in a World of Spiritual Ideas
Can We Trust the Mystics and Prophets?
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