BuddhistCatholicContemplativeEvangelicalGeneral ChristianHinduJewishLatter-day SaintMuslimNew VisionsProgressive Christian
Beliefs
- Buddhist
- Catholic
- Contemplative
- Evangelical
- General Christian
- Hindu
- Jewish
- Latter-day Saint
- More Voices
- Muslim
- New Visions
- Pagan
- Progressive Christian
Topics
- Religion News
- Food and Religion
- Sports and Religion
- Religious Art
- Religious Music and Entertainment
- Religious Events
- History and Religion
- Style and Religion
- Politics and Religion
- Women in Religion
- Recreation Outdoors and Religion
- Business Finance and Religion
- Careers Workplace and Religion
- Education and Religion
- Family Parenting and Religion
- Health Fitness and Religion
- Home and Religion
- Relationships and Religion
- Technology and Religion
- Travel and Religion
Columnists
- Buddhist Columnists
- Business Finance and Religion Columnists
- Careers Workplace and Religion Columnists
- Catholic Columnists
- Contemplative Columnists
- Education and Religion Columnists
- Evangelists Columnists
- Family Parenting and Religion Columnists
- General Christian Columnists
- Health Fitness and Religion Columnists
- Hindu Columnists
- History and Religion Columnists
- Home and Religion Columnists
- Jewish Columnists
- More Voices Columnists
- Latter Day Columnists
- Muslim Columnists
- New Visions Columnists
- Nonreligious Columnists
- Pagan Columnists
- Politics and Religion Columnists
- Progressive Columnists
- Recreation Outdoors and Religion Columnists
- Relationships and Religion Columnists
- Religion News Columnists
- Religious Art Columnists
- Religious Events Columnists
- Religious Music and Entertainment Columnists
- Sports and Religion Columnists
- Style and Religion Columnists
- Technology and Religion Columnists
- Travel and Religion Columnists
- Women in Religion Columnists
Resource Library
- 2026 Calendar
- Library of World Religions
- The 100 Most Holy Places on Earth
- Patheos Answers
- Podcasts
- Videos
- Faith Leaders Database
- Anglican Episcopalian
- Bahai
- Baptist
- Buddhism
- Christianity
- Confucianism
- Eastern Orthodoxy
- Hinduism
- Holiness and Pentecostal
- ISKCON
- Islam
- Judaism
- Lutheran
- Methodist
- The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
- New Age
- Paganism
- Presbytarian and Reformed
- Protestantism
- Religion Behind the Scenes
- Roman Catholic
- Scientology
- Shia Islam
- Sikhism
- Sufism
- Sunni Islam
- Taoism
- Zen
- See all religions
Research Tools
Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support
Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support
- Trending:
- Forgiveness
- |
- Marriage
- |
- Consciousness
- |
- Death Penalty
- |
- Election
- |
- Halloween
Gone Witching
- Home
- Pagan
- Desecration of the Divine: Awareness and Safe Spaces
Desecration of the Divine: Awareness and Safe Spaces
Last updated on: July 19, 2018 at 4:05 am by K. C. Alexander
Desecration of the Divine: Awareness and Safe Spaces 2018-07-19T04:05:13+00:00 K. C. Alexander
Patheos Explore the world's faith through different perspectives on religion and spirituality! Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world.

Goddess from Pixabay
The Most Dangerous Defenses
At the risk of appearing to be picking on Sadovsky, I’d like to bring out a few of her comments to really explain why I feel the need to directly refute.
If we truly believe that we are free to do as we will, then it is simply unethical to expect other folks to change their behaviors and reject the symbols that feed them to satisfy one’s own discomfort [with the practice]. (Sonja Sadovsky; Io Babalon!)
As read, this is a dangerous statement (and I would happily be corrected if this a grammatical error). As it is, if I were to reframe this in another community, one that has its fair share of sexual and chaste women, it may look like this: If we truly believe that we are free to do as we will, then it’s simply unethical to expect gamers to change their behaviors and reject the tradition of violating, doxing, threatening and demeaning women just to satisfy one’s own discomfort [with the practice].
Any group is open to manipulation and nonsense, but is this because of the “patriarchy” or is this because people are human and fall into bad patterns? (Sonja Sadovsky; Io Babalon!)
Yes. I am not sure why this is a question, to be honest? Humans are products of the world they grow up on—nature and nurture. This is the science and study of genetics and brain and psychology. And we grew up in a patriarchal society. No matter how divine one is, nobody is free of the roots that nurtured them.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions formed from their experience, but I have seen just as many women bring their own insecurities and agendas into these organizations as much as men. (Sonja Sadovsky; Io Babalon!)
I told somebody that while I was in what I had considered a safe space, I was subjected to somebody else’s abuse. They said, “Oh, that’s not abuse, that’s just how it is—you just feel insecure right now. It’ll pass.” That is, by the way, word for word. Translated: you brought your own insecurity into that space, and you are now expecting that space to conform.
No. No, no. Speaking of visceral reactions, this one nearly put me into a panic attack. “But other women…!” is the same defense as #NotAllMen or #AllLivesMatter. It may be a valid point, but it completely invalidates the legitimacy of the people central to the point of discussion. What other individuals have done does not change how I feel: everybody has the right to feel safe.
Sometimes the cause of our discomfort is not external, but internal. (Sonja Sadovsky; Io Babalon!)
When I hear this—based on my own experiences—it tends to be a way of softening a much uglier sentiment: if I am uncomfortable because of how I am being treated, then that is my hangup, not anybody else’s problem. Or, more commonly: if my mental illness requires me to ask other people not to worship/objectify/touch/make sexual comments at me, then that is unethical to ask and they can’t be expected to concede.
Internal problems are just as valid as external. Which Sadovsky addresses, and then posits a solution:
Sometimes the cause is external, and that particular group or Lodge or Coven is just fucked. We have to own that too, and we are empowered to vote with our feet and take anyone who wants to come along with us. (Sonja Sadovsky; Io Babalon!)

Femme. Half-naked. Proud.
Not your goddess. Not your Mary.
Still not your Galatea.
I see conform or gtfo. I see that because the term “voting with your feet” puts the onus on the people who feel victimized to leave, leaving the community with the harassment or non-consent problem to continue as they are.
If the idea that others unwittingly forcing an identity on somebody else is not considered “fucked”, then I shudder to think what a truly fucked Lodge or Coven looks likes. I feel as if I am being told that it’s normal for others to force their worship and objectification on me, whether I look to them like an empowered Virgin or a Whore, and if I can’t cope with that… well, there’s the door.
The thing is… It is not hard to find common ground. It’s not hard to acknowledge that there are problematic elements in every single community ever. It’s also not hard to acknowledge that every person in a community needs to be willing to respect each other in order for that community to function.
If comicons and gaming conventions—some of the most toxic places for women and queer folx and PoC—can understand that there are people in their community who need to be told not to assault and demean other people, then there is zero reason why a community that purports to encourage inclusivity and support can’t acknowledge the same.
Frankly, any social contract needs to say is:
Ask how a person wishes to be treated; then do that.
There is power in transgression and breaking taboo. (Sonja Sadovsky; Io Babalon!)
This is true. It’s powerful. Or it would be, applied in the right spaces.
The unfortunate fact is that, as #MeToo shows with excruciating detail, there is no taboo in forcing a woman to submit to what you want. To treat someone else the way you want to treat them and not how they wish to be treated is not transgressive. It’s the actual world we live in; it’s the actual norm.
And all we are asking as a whole, across every space, is to be supported when we ask for the default to change.
It’s time to be honest: if we can’t acknowledge that people are being forced to endure objectification (both good or bad) without ever being asked, what are we really clinging to?
And why do matters of equality, consent, and choice instill a kneejerk need for us to fight against it?
(My personal theory? Tradition. It’s a hell of a drug.)
About K. C. Alexander
K. C. Alexander is an SF/F author and very proud of smearing her bloody fingers all over the lines. She writes aggressive transhumanist sci-fi, co-wrote Mass Effect: Andromeda: Nexus Uprising, and may or may not be a witch. Like what she does? Want to see more? Check out her tarot reads and behind the scenes glimpses of her new projects. Every offer goes to support an author hard at work. You can read more about the author here.
Previous Post

July 17, 2018
The Practice of Patience: Where Mud Becomes Lotus
Next Post

August 19, 2018 An Unexpected Education by Accidental Ritual
Browse Our Archives
Select a Category Witchery
Select a Month December 2018 September 2018 August 2018 July 2018 June 2018 May 2018 April 2018 March 2018 February 2018
Follow Us!
TAKE THE
Religious Wisdom Quiz
What does "Pentateuch" mean?
Select your answer to see how you score.
Wisdom literature Ten scrolls Five books Prophetic writings
Related posts from Gone Witching
Photo-Op Witch: You Are Welcome Here
Seeking the Liminal: It Starts as a Search...
Saying No to New Year Resolutions
TRENDING AT PATHEOS Pagan
Here comes a rant (and TLDR: if you're a US citizen eligible...
Why are younger seekers drawn to Paganism and...
One of the things I've noticed the most is that I'm far...
When we talk about Greek religion, we often begin with the dodekatheion—the...
I was recently chatting with someone on Instagram. She asked me what...
On July 23, I saw Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey which is Homer’s...
As I write this two big events have just finished up. One...
view all Pagan blogs
Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support
- About Us
- 2026 Calendar
- Videos
- Podcasts
- Library of World Religions
- Faith In Media Tracker
- Advertise With Us
- Write for Us
- Privacy Policy
- Terms of Service
- Do Not Sell My Data
- Contact Us
- Radiant Digital
- Manage Newsletter Subscriptions
- Unsubscribe From Notifications
- Sitemap
Copyright 2008-2026, Patheos. All rights reserved.
Subscription Support Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In











