BuddhistCatholicContemplativeEvangelicalGeneral ChristianHinduJewishLatter-day SaintMuslimNew VisionsProgressive Christian
Beliefs
- Buddhist
- Catholic
- Contemplative
- Evangelical
- General Christian
- Hindu
- Jewish
- Latter-day Saint
- More Voices
- Muslim
- New Visions
- Pagan
- Progressive Christian
Topics
- Religion News
- Food and Religion
- Sports and Religion
- Religious Art
- Religious Music and Entertainment
- Religious Events
- History and Religion
- Style and Religion
- Politics and Religion
- Women in Religion
- Recreation Outdoors and Religion
- Business Finance and Religion
- Careers Workplace and Religion
- Education and Religion
- Family Parenting and Religion
- Health Fitness and Religion
- Home and Religion
- Relationships and Religion
- Technology and Religion
- Travel and Religion
Columnists
- Buddhist Columnists
- Business Finance and Religion Columnists
- Careers Workplace and Religion Columnists
- Catholic Columnists
- Contemplative Columnists
- Education and Religion Columnists
- Evangelists Columnists
- Family Parenting and Religion Columnists
- General Christian Columnists
- Health Fitness and Religion Columnists
- Hindu Columnists
- History and Religion Columnists
- Home and Religion Columnists
- Jewish Columnists
- More Voices Columnists
- Latter Day Columnists
- Muslim Columnists
- New Visions Columnists
- Nonreligious Columnists
- Pagan Columnists
- Politics and Religion Columnists
- Progressive Columnists
- Recreation Outdoors and Religion Columnists
- Relationships and Religion Columnists
- Religion News Columnists
- Religious Art Columnists
- Religious Events Columnists
- Religious Music and Entertainment Columnists
- Sports and Religion Columnists
- Style and Religion Columnists
- Technology and Religion Columnists
- Travel and Religion Columnists
- Women in Religion Columnists
Resource Library
- 2026 Calendar
- Library of World Religions
- The 100 Most Holy Places on Earth
- Patheos Answers
- Podcasts
- Videos
- Faith Leaders Database
- Anglican Episcopalian
- Bahai
- Baptist
- Buddhism
- Christianity
- Confucianism
- Eastern Orthodoxy
- Hinduism
- Holiness and Pentecostal
- ISKCON
- Islam
- Judaism
- Lutheran
- Methodist
- The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
- New Age
- Paganism
- Presbytarian and Reformed
- Protestantism
- Religion Behind the Scenes
- Roman Catholic
- Scientology
- Shia Islam
- Sikhism
- Sufism
- Sunni Islam
- Taoism
- Zen
- See all religions
Research Tools
Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support
Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support
- Trending:
- Forgiveness
- |
- Marriage
- |
- Consciousness
- |
- Death Penalty
- |
- Election
- |
- Halloween
- Home
- Progressive Christian
- What an Ancient Greek Puzzle Can Teach Us About the Life of Faith
What an Ancient Greek Puzzle Can Teach Us About the Life of Faith
Last updated on: July 7, 2021 at 5:41 pm by Vance Morgan
What an Ancient Greek Puzzle Can Teach Us About the Life of Faith 2021-07-07T17:41:51-04:00 Vance Morgan
Patheos Explore the world's faith through different perspectives on religion and spirituality! Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world.
After several years at sea rescuing besieged towns from monsters, slaying the Minotaur, and doing the things that mythical Greek heroes do, Theseus has decided that it’s time for he and his crew to take some well-deserved R and R. The name of the famous hero’s ship has been lost in antiquity—let’s call it the “Tachus,” after the ancient Greek word for “swift.” The Tachus has served Theseus and his entourage well over the years, but the ship is badly in need of repairs.

Knowing that “Jason’s Ship Repair” is the best boat repair establishment on the Aegean coast, Theseus and his crew float the Tachus into Dock Alpha for the necessary work to be done. Jason tells Theseus that the needed repairs will take about six months to complete. Theseus leaves a down payment and heads toward Athens for a long-awaited reunion with his wife Phaedra and their kids.
Jason’s approach to repairing the Tachus is methodical and time-consuming. One at a time, he carefully removes a plank from the Tachus and replaces it with a new plank that, to the inexperienced eye, looks identical to the original plank. Each replaced plank is numbered, then placed in an empty warehouse behind Dock Alpha. One by one, each plank on the Tachus is replaced with a new plank in precisely the same way. After thousands of such replacements, the Tachus is ready to return to sea. But the only thing that remains of the original ship that Theseus brought into port is its name. Not a single molecule of the original ship remains in Dock Alpha–all of the planks from the original ship are in the warehouse.
Jason and his team are so good at what they do that they finish the Tachus repairs in less than four months. Business is slow. But then Jason remembers the original planks from the Tachus in the warehouse. Realizing that there was nothing seriously wrong with that wood that careful joining couldn’t fix, Jason comes up with a plan to both keep his work crew busy and also make some money. “Guys!” Jason says. “We’re going to take all of that wood in the warehouse and build a new boat out of it at Dock Beta!” Over the next two months, that’s exactly what they do. Each original removed plank from the Tachus is carefully joined back to its neighboring planks, and slowly a new ship emerges at Dock Beta, constructed entirely out of the Tachus’ old planks. Working at record speed, Jason and his crew finish assembling the ship just days before Theseus is scheduled to pick up his repaired vessel.
When the time comes, Theseus is busy doing heroic things up north and sends his crew, led by second captain Bob, to settle accounts with Theseus and sail the Taches north to a rendezvous with Theseus. But here’s the question:
Which ship should Bob and the crew pick up: The ship at Dock A, or the ship at Dock B? Which of these two ships, identical to the naked eye, is the Tachus?
Think about it. A strong argument can be made in favor of (or against) either of the ships being the ship of Theseus. Bob and the crew will undoubtedly head for Dock Alpha, since that’s where they left the Tachus six months ago. But not a single inch of the ship at Dock Alpha is made of the same material as the ship left six months ago; every plank has been changed out. Alternatively, the ship at Dock Beta, although in a different location than where the Tachus was left six months ago, is made entirely of the same materials that the original Tachus was made of. Which ship belongs to Theseus depends on what standard of identity one is using to judge sameness over time.
I have frequently used this famous thought experiment in various classes over the years, any time we were doing a unit on “Identity.” How do we determine the identity of something over time? Everyone has said at one time or another, when considering a decision or action from the past, something along the lines of “I am not the same person now as I was then.” And you know, obviously, that you are the same person that made that choice or did that thing years ago. The ship of Theseus story is helpful as we try to sort out one of the fundamental puzzles of our world: How can something stay the same through the never-ending processes of change?
After a good deal of confusion, discussion, and debate, my students usually lean more and more toward the conclusion that the ship at Dock Alpha is the Tachus, and the ship at Dock Beta is an imposter, the “Schmachus,” perhaps. Even though the ship at Dock Alpha has none of the material that made up the original Tachus (and the ship at Dock Beta has all of that material), there’s something compelling about location and expectations. This intuition is bolstered by our regular experience that things can change in appearance and structure, sometimes noticeably, and still be the same thing. When you take your car for a tune-up and the mechanics replace at least a few worn out parts with new ones, you don’t argue that the car you pick up at the end of the day is not your car. It’s just your car with a few new parts in it.
Scientists tell us that every human being changes her or his cells out completely in seven to ten years. None of the millions of cells that currently make up your physical body were there ten years ago. None of them. And some cells change out much more quickly than seven years. In other words, you and I are living examples of the ship at Dock Alpha. Everything changes, yet still remains the “same.” What remains the same is not the stuff, or even the location, but something else entirely. What that something else is . . . that’s a fascinating and continuing philosophical question.
Since I investigate the intersection of philosophy and faith in real time and real life on this blog, I’m interested in reflecting for a moment about the ship of Theseus conundrum as it applies to faith and religious belief. I have written frequently over the years, including several times in the past few weeks, about how important doubt, flexibility, and change are to the life of faith. I do that because since God is supposedly eternal and unchanging, many religious perspectives seek to place the faithful person in a doctrinal straitjacket. How can my faith change, as everything does, but still be “my faith,” held together by a stable foundation? Consider a story from Benjamin Franklin’s autobiography.
Franklin lived during “The Great Awakening,” a remarkable religious revival in eighteenth-century New England. He was particularly intrigued by the Dunkers, a small Baptist sect (who “dunked” the newly baptized) that would become the Church of the Brethren a couple of centuries later. One of the Dunker leaders complained to Franklin that, as often happens when religion is concerned, other religious groups frequently accused the Dunkers of “abominable practices and principles, to which they were utter strangers.”
Franklin sensibly suggested that the Dunkers should publish “the articles of their belief, and the rules of their discipline,” something that the majority of Christian sects and denominations still do, thus reducing the opportunity for misunderstanding and slander. To which the Dunker leader remarkably replied as follows:
When we were first drawn together as a society, it had pleased God to enlighten our minds so far as to see that some doctrines, which we once esteemed truths, were errors; and that others, which we had esteemed errors, were real truths. From time to time He has been pleased to afford us farther light, and our principles have been improving, and our errors diminishing. Now we are not sure that we have arrived at the end of this progression . . . we fear that, if we should once print our confession of faith, we should feel ourselves as if bound and confin’d by it, and perhaps be unwilling to receive farther improvement, and our successors still more so, as conceiving what we their elders and founders had done, to be something sacred, never to be departed from.
I like the Dunkers’ attitude. Doctrine bothers me because it so easily turns into its evil and rigid twin, dogma. Remember the ship of Theseus. The ultimate test of a ship is not whether it retains the same planks, and certainly isn’t whether it stays in a predictable place. The test of a ship is whether it is seaworthy. How well does it work? That might be a good question to regularly ask about one’s faith.
Not long ago I heard someone mention that she is comforted by the fact that the words she is saying when reciting the Nicene Creed are the very same words Christian believers have recited for close to two millennia. I’m not sure why that’s something to be comforted by. I am reminded of something I read from Christian Wiman’s My Bright Abyss not long ago: “Only when doctrine itself is understood to be provisional does doctrine begin to take on a more than provisional significance.”
Previous Post

July 3, 2021
Nationalism is Unpatriotic: An Independence Day Reflection
Next Post

July 8, 2021 Is There Anyone Home Up There?
Browse Our Archives
Select a Category abortion Advent AI Angels Artificial intelligence atheism attention baptism Baptists beauty belief Benedictines Bible bicycling Big Bird books Bovina Camaldoli hermitage Canada Catholicism cats certainty change Christianity Christmas Collegeville Covid-19 creativity Development of Western Civilization dogs doubt Easter Enneagram Epiphany Episcopal ethics Eucharist evil extroverts Facebook faith family fear flowers forgiveness freedom friends God goodness grace happiness heaven hell history Holy Spirit Holy Week hope human nature humility humor idolatry incarnation introverts irreverence Islam Jeanne Jesus Joe Biden joy Judaism justice Kamala Harris knowledge Lent listen literature liturgy love Marsue Memorial Day miracles movies music mystery mythology NPR Old Testament optimism paradox peace Penguins philosophy piano podcast politics power prayer Protestantism Providence College Religion Rhode Island sabbatical sacrament science seeing silence Simone Weil Socrates soul sports St. John's College stories suffering tattoo teaching technology television theology thinking time tolerance transcendence travel trees trust truth Uncategorized Vermont wisdom wonder writing
Select a Month May 2026 April 2026 March 2026 February 2026 January 2026 December 2025 November 2025 October 2025 September 2025 August 2025 July 2025 June 2025 May 2025 April 2025 March 2025 February 2025 January 2025 December 2024 November 2024 October 2024 September 2024 August 2024 July 2024 June 2024 May 2024 April 2024 March 2024 February 2024 January 2024 December 2023 November 2023 October 2023 September 2023 August 2023 July 2023 June 2023 May 2023 April 2023 March 2023 February 2023 January 2023 December 2022 November 2022 October 2022 September 2022 August 2022 July 2022 June 2022 May 2022 April 2022 March 2022 February 2022 January 2022 December 2021 November 2021 October 2021 September 2021 August 2021 July 2021 June 2021 May 2021 April 2021 March 2021 February 2021 January 2021 December 2020 November 2020 October 2020 September 2020 August 2020 July 2020 June 2020 May 2020 April 2020 March 2020 February 2020 January 2020 December 2019 November 2019 October 2019 September 2019 August 2019 July 2019 June 2019 May 2019 April 2019 March 2019 February 2019 January 2019 December 2018 November 2018 October 2018 September 2018 August 2018 July 2018 June 2018 May 2018 April 2018 March 2018 February 2018 January 2018 December 2017 November 2017 October 2017 September 2017 August 2017 July 2017 June 2017 May 2017 April 2017 March 2017 February 2017 January 2017 December 2016 November 2016 October 2016 September 2016 August 2016 July 2016 June 2016 May 2016 April 2016 March 2016 February 2016 January 2016 December 2015 November 2015 October 2015 September 2015 August 2015 July 2015 June 2015 May 2015 April 2015 March 2015 February 2015 January 2015 December 2014 November 2014 October 2014 September 2014 August 2014 July 2014 June 2014 May 2014 April 2014 March 2014 February 2014 January 2014 December 2013 November 2013 October 2013 September 2013 August 2013 July 2013 June 2013 May 2013 April 2013 March 2013 February 2013 January 2013 December 2012 November 2012 October 2012 September 2012
Follow Us!
TAKE THE
Religious Wisdom Quiz
What did God write the Ten Commandments with?
Select your answer to see how you score.
A chisel His finger A sword A pen
Books by This Author Books by Vance G. Morgan
Related posts from Freelance Christianity
The Lonely Pawn: On Faith, Doubt, and Meaning
AI and Love: When a Chatbot Becomes a...
TRENDING AT PATHEOS Progressive Christian
An Insightful Look at Age-Gap Relationships in Scripture
If you've paid any attention to social media over the past 20...
Was God Silent for 400 Years, or Just...
God’s Global Footprints Across the Ages: How the Creator Has Always Been on...
Brandy Anderson, Team Weird, and Transcending Church
I met author Brandy Anderson on Heretic Happy Hour, when podcaster Keith...
Why Christians Have a Sacred Duty to Vote:...
The Bible offers strong support for the sacred duty to vote. Here...
What Being a Modern-Day Apostle Means to Me
In my last column, I discussed the ins and outs of modern-day...
Did Ancient China Once Worship the God of...
Across human history, a common thread weaves through the origins of the...
view all Progressive Christian blogs
Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support
- About Us
- 2026 Calendar
- Videos
- Podcasts
- Library of World Religions
- Faith In Media Tracker
- Advertise With Us
- Write for Us
- Privacy Policy
- Terms of Service
- Do Not Sell My Data
- Contact Us
- Radiant Digital
- Manage Newsletter Subscriptions
- Unsubscribe From Notifications
- Sitemap
Copyright 2008-2026, Patheos. All rights reserved.
Subscription Support Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In











