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Veneration of Saints: God “In” and “Through” St. Paul

Last updated on: June 6, 2026 at 12:44 am   by Dave Armstrong

Veneration of Saints: God “In” and “Through” St. Paul 2026-06-06T00:44:18-04:00 Dave Armstrong

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[originally posted on 5-17-13 on Facebook; expanded slightly on 5-17-21]

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This may be a “new” biblical argument for the veneration of saints.

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If St. Paul is saying that all of these things “in” or “through” him were because of Christ, and others see that “in” or “through” him; does it not follow that he could be venerated, precisely because of what was “in / through him,” then observed by others, to their edification? The Catholic doctrine of veneration is, after all, honoring a creature because he or she profoundly reflects the grace and love and other attributes of God.

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I think it’s a little weak and a merely deductive proof to some extent, but I believe that it does work on some level, especially because elsewhere, many times, Paul urges his followers to “imitate” him, as he in turn imitated Jesus Christ. I’ve used that as one argument for veneration for many years and it fits in nicely with this argument, in my opinion. What do you think?

Romans 15:18 (RSV) For I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has wrought through me to win obedience from the Gentiles, by word and deed,

1 Corinthians 3:5 What then is Apol’los? What is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, as the Lord assigned to each.

2 Corinthians 2:14 But thanks be to God, who in Christ always leads us in triumph, and through us spreads the fragrance of the knowledge of him everywhere.

2 Corinthians 5:20 So we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We beseech you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. (cf. Acts 2:43: “And fear came upon every soul; and many wonders and signs were done through the apostles.”)

2 Corinthians 11:10 As the truth of Christ is in me, this boast of mine shall not be silenced in the regions of Acha’ia.

2 Corinthians 13:3 . . . Christ is speaking in me . . .

Galatians 2:8 (for he who worked through Peter for the mission to the circumcised worked through me also for the Gentiles),

Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me; and the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

Philippians 1:26 so that in me you may have ample cause to glory in Christ Jesus, because of my coming to you again.

Philippians 4:9 What you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, do; and the God of peace will be with you.

1 Timothy 1:16 but I received mercy for this reason, that in me, as the foremost, Jesus Christ might display his perfect patience for an example to those who were to believe in him for eternal life.

Titus 1:3 and at the proper time manifested in his word through the preaching with which I have been entrusted by command of God our Savior; (cf. Hosea 12:10: “I spoke to the prophets; . . . and through the prophets gave parables.”)

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Is Mary Worshiped by Catholics? [3-8-99]

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The Imitation of St. Paul & the Veneration of Saints [2004]

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Veneration of Saints and Its Doctrinal Development: Dialogue with an Inquiring Baptist [12-1-08]

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Bible: God Shares Glory with His Creatures [1-3-10]

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Blasphemy Against Creatures & Things (Not Just Against God: A Biblical Exposition) [11-30-11]

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Bible on Veneration of Saints & Angels: John Calvin’s Antipathy to Veneration of Saints and Angels vs. Explicit Biblical Evidences of Same [10-1-12]

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Biblical Evidence for Veneration of Saints [2013]
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Veneration of & Bowing Before an Angel (Joshua 5:13-15) [9-7-13]

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Venerating & Bowing Before Angels & Men: Biblical? [11-10-14]
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Martin Luther’s Espousal of the Veneration of Saints [11-11-14]

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New (?) Analogical Biblical Argument for Veneration of the Saints and Angels from the Prohibition of Blasphemy of the Same  [8-8-15]
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Bible on the Veneration of Angels & Men [9-10-15]

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“Armstrong vs. Geisler” #8: Veneration; Bowing to Creatures [3-2-17]
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The Veneration of Angels and Men is Biblical [National Catholic Register, 8-24-17]Biblical Evidence for Veneration of Saints and Images [National Catholic Register, 10-23-18]

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Veneration of Human Beings: Seven Biblical Examples (Apostles Paul and Silas, Kings David and Saul, Prophets Daniel and Samuel, Patriarch Joseph) [3-4-19]

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Angel Gabriel’s “Hail” (Lk 1:28): Veneration of Mary? [3-8-19]

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Summary: If God was working “in” and “through” St. Paul and others such as St. Peter and the prophets (many passages), is this not a possible biblical argument for the veneration of saints?
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