BuddhistCatholicContemplativeEvangelicalGeneral ChristianHinduJewishLatter-day SaintMuslimNew VisionsProgressive Christian
Beliefs
- Buddhist
- Catholic
- Contemplative
- Evangelical
- General Christian
- Hindu
- Jewish
- Latter-day Saint
- More Voices
- Muslim
- New Visions
- Pagan
- Progressive Christian
Topics
- Religion News
- Food and Religion
- Sports and Religion
- Religious Art
- Religious Music and Entertainment
- Religious Events
- History and Religion
- Style and Religion
- Politics and Religion
- Women in Religion
- Recreation Outdoors and Religion
- Business Finance and Religion
- Careers Workplace and Religion
- Education and Religion
- Family Parenting and Religion
- Health Fitness and Religion
- Home and Religion
- Relationships and Religion
- Technology and Religion
- Travel and Religion
Columnists
- Buddhist Columnists
- Business Finance and Religion Columnists
- Careers Workplace and Religion Columnists
- Catholic Columnists
- Contemplative Columnists
- Education and Religion Columnists
- Evangelists Columnists
- Family Parenting and Religion Columnists
- General Christian Columnists
- Health Fitness and Religion Columnists
- Hindu Columnists
- History and Religion Columnists
- Home and Religion Columnists
- Jewish Columnists
- More Voices Columnists
- Latter Day Columnists
- Muslim Columnists
- New Visions Columnists
- Nonreligious Columnists
- Pagan Columnists
- Politics and Religion Columnists
- Progressive Columnists
- Recreation Outdoors and Religion Columnists
- Relationships and Religion Columnists
- Religion News Columnists
- Religious Art Columnists
- Religious Events Columnists
- Religious Music and Entertainment Columnists
- Sports and Religion Columnists
- Style and Religion Columnists
- Technology and Religion Columnists
- Travel and Religion Columnists
- Women in Religion Columnists
Resource Library
- 2026 Calendar
- Library of World Religions
- The 100 Most Holy Places on Earth
- Patheos Answers
- Podcasts
- Videos
- Faith Leaders Database
- Anglican Episcopalian
- Bahai
- Baptist
- Buddhism
- Christianity
- Confucianism
- Eastern Orthodoxy
- Hinduism
- Holiness and Pentecostal
- ISKCON
- Islam
- Judaism
- Lutheran
- Methodist
- The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
- New Age
- Paganism
- Presbytarian and Reformed
- Protestantism
- Religion Behind the Scenes
- Roman Catholic
- Scientology
- Shia Islam
- Sikhism
- Sufism
- Sunni Islam
- Taoism
- Zen
- See all religions
Research Tools
Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support
Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support
- Trending:
- Forgiveness
- |
- Marriage
- |
- Consciousness
- |
- Death Penalty
- |
- Election
- |
- Halloween
- Home
- More Voices
- Highlights from Marcus Borg and Diana Butler Bass Lectures (Part 4 of 7)
Highlights from Marcus Borg and Diana Butler Bass Lectures (Part 4 of 7)
Last updated on: December 29, 2014 at 10:09 pm by Carl Gregg
Highlights from Marcus Borg and Diana Butler Bass Lectures (Part 4 of 7) 2014-12-29T22:09:18-05:00 Carl Gregg
Patheos Explore the world's faith through different perspectives on religion and spirituality! Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world.
The introductory post to this blog series is available here.
The highlights from Bass’ first lecture are available here and Borg’s here.
My musings on the lectures are in brackets.
Diana Butler Bass’ second lecture (of three total lectures) was titled, “Faith: From Convention to Experience.”
[This title reminds me of James Fowler’s important work on Stages of Faith, particularly the shift from Stage 3, “Conventional” faith to Stage 4, “Individuative-Reflective” faith. For more, see my post on “Everything Is Holy Now.”]
The following chart displays the framework of this lecture. Recalling her emphasis in the first lecture on the “major shift away from organized forms of faith toward experience,” the left-hand column describes the old paradigm, and the right-hand column describes the emerging paradigm.
Religious Questions
Conventional
Old Light
Spiritual Questions
Experiential
New Light
Believing: What do I believe? Creeds, dogmas, faith statements; Ideas about God; Systematic, conceptual From ‘What’ to HOW can you be a Christian and be intelligent and be interested in science? HOW can I be a part of your church, when I can’t affirm your creed? Behaving: How do I do that? Rules, piety, techniques; Authoritative, eternal From ‘How’ to WHAT are we going to do?: “Vocation and discernment.” WHAT is God already doing? [Alternately, “Where can we parter with what God is already doing?] Belonging: Who am I? Membership; Inheritance, choice; Propositional From ‘Who’ to WHOSE? Whom do you love? Relational. From Membership to relationship. ‘Joining in’ instead of joining. Who am I in, with, and through God? From proposition (Who am I?) to prepositions: how we move next to and with others. [I would add and with “the Other,” following Kester Brewin’s new book.] Denominations continue to ask these conventional questions (thinking that they already have the books, creeds, and membership forms to answer these questions…) … but most people are increasingly living into different questions: relational and experiential. These are the questions of an integrated faith. [Remember her point in her first lecture about the need for “an ‘Integrated Faith’ of both mind and heart” in contrast to the twentieth-century ‘divorce’ of mind and heart between the various factions of Christianity.]
- Those people who remain entrenched within the increasingly-obsolete paradigm on the left-hand side want to start at the top (a classic top-down, managerial hierarchy) and move to the bottom. They want to start with believing the correct creeds, faith statements, ideas, and dogmas. Then, move to behaving correctly as determined by the authority structures. And finally, if correct believing and behaving are in place, consider if an individual should be given permission for belonging.
- The emerging paradigm INVERTS the order. [To invoke another Kester Brewin book, their default tendency is to be Organic/Networked/Decentralized/Bottom-Up/Communal/Flexible/Always Evolving]. They want to start with belonging. Then behaving emerges out of the social network and matrix of belonging. Finally, believing or intellectual theories may emerge out of this bottom-up, experiential process. [Phyllis Tickle also helpfully describes this dynamic in her book The Great Emergence: How Christianity Is Changing and Why.] To consider the Occupy protests, you first show up with your tent (Belonging). Then comes behaving (assembly, consensus governance). Finally, come demands (belief). But the old-school powers-that-be are frustrated with the Occupy movement because they are operating from an increasingly-obsolete paradigm that wants the beliefs/demands first and up-front — when the protesters are operating out of a completely inverse paradigm. [Paging Dr. Freud: “Kill your father!” to clear the space to figure out what you believe. And define your ‘modus operandi’ in opposition to the previous paradigm (Oedipus!). Or, paging Dr. Jung: the ‘Shadow’ of the previous paradigm (what was neglected or repressed) becomes the basis for the next paradigm. The shadow-ground switch allows growth.]
For more details on each of these bullet-points, you can pre-order Bass’ forthcoming book Christianity After Religion: The End of Church and the Birth of a New Spiritual Awakening, which is scheduled to be released on February 14, 2012:
Stay tuned for the next installment on the highlights of Marcus Borg’s second lecture in the series.
The Rev. Carl Gregg is a trained spiritual director, a D.Min. candidate, and the pastor of Broadview Church in Chesapeake Beach, Maryland. Follow him on Facebook (facebook.com/carlgregg) and Twitter (@carlgregg).
Browse Our Archives
Select a Category Advent Anti-Racism Archaeology Atheism Baptism Best of the Year List Book Reviews Buddhism Catholicism Christian Education Church and State Church Planting Climate Change Conscientious Objection to War Creation Spirituality Death Penalty Didache Disability Rights Discernment Easter Ecology Emergent Church Movement Empire-Critical Ethics Evolution Feminist Theology Film Reviews Gandhi Gospel of Mark Gun Control Hinduism Immigration Reform Interfaith Islam JFK Judaism Jungian Spirituality Lectionary Commentary Lent Letters to the Editor LGBT Marriage MLK Multiculturalism Mysticism Nonviolent Activism Occupy Paganism (Earth-centered Religions) Parables Paul Pluralism Politics Process Theology Quantum Physics Requiescat In Pace Seminary and Divinity School Sermon Series Retrospective Sermons Spiritual Direction Spiritual Practices Stewardship (Fundraising) The Book of J The Wheel of the Year (Paganism) Theoblogger Challenge Triathlon Uncategorized Unitarian Universalism Worship Resources Youth Ministry
Select a Month July 2026 May 2026 March 2026 November 2025 October 2025 August 2025 February 2025 December 2024 October 2024 March 2024 January 2024 December 2023 November 2023 March 2023 February 2023 January 2023 December 2022 November 2022 August 2022 March 2022 February 2022 January 2022 December 2021 September 2021 August 2021 July 2021 June 2021 May 2021 February 2021 January 2021 December 2020 August 2020 June 2020 May 2020 April 2020 March 2020 February 2020 January 2020 December 2019 November 2019 October 2019 September 2019 July 2019 June 2019 March 2019 February 2019 January 2019 December 2018 November 2018 October 2018 September 2018 June 2018 May 2018 April 2018 March 2018 February 2018 January 2018 December 2017 November 2017 October 2017 September 2017 August 2017 July 2017 June 2017 May 2017 April 2017 March 2017 February 2017 January 2017 December 2016 November 2016 October 2016 September 2016 August 2016 June 2016 May 2016 April 2016 March 2016 February 2016 January 2016 December 2015 November 2015 October 2015 September 2015 August 2015 July 2015 June 2015 May 2015 April 2015 March 2015 February 2015 January 2015 December 2014 November 2014 October 2014 August 2014 July 2014 June 2014 May 2014 April 2014 March 2014 February 2014 January 2014 December 2013 November 2013 October 2013 September 2013 August 2013 July 2013 June 2013 May 2013 April 2013 March 2013 February 2013 January 2013 December 2012 November 2012 October 2012 September 2012 August 2012 July 2012 June 2012 May 2012 April 2012 March 2012 February 2012 January 2012 December 2011 November 2011 October 2011 September 2011 August 2011 July 2011 June 2011 May 2011 April 2011 March 2011 February 2011 January 2011 December 2010 November 2010 October 2010 August 2009 July 2009 May 2009
Follow Us!
TAKE THE
Religious Wisdom Quiz
Who was the first man created by God?
Select your answer to see how you score.
Adam Moses Noah Abraham
Related posts from Carl Gregg
Top 10 Best Books Read in 2014
"Fast Future: How the Millennial Generation Is Shaping...
TRENDING AT PATHEOS More Voices
Reading America at 250: A Nation Wrestles With...
As part of my own reflection on the 250th anniversary of the...
Whenever I am reading a book or listening to an argument, I...
President Trump Ban Animal Torture Videos on Facebook
Call for Stricter Regulations of Animal Abuse Content on Facebook Although President...
Draft Amendments to Address Ritual Abuse in New...
The proposed changes would make it illegal for individuals in domestic partnerships...
How Bans on LGBTQ+ Student Clubs Threaten Religious...
On June 20, 2025, the State of Texas passed Senate Bill 12....
The Truth About the Gen Z Revival
This past year, there has been a lot of media buzz surrounding...
view all More Voices blogs
Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support
- About Us
- 2026 Calendar
- Videos
- Podcasts
- Library of World Religions
- Faith In Media Tracker
- Advertise With Us
- Write for Us
- Privacy Policy
- Terms of Service
- Do Not Sell My Data
- Contact Us
- Radiant Digital
- Manage Newsletter Subscriptions
- Unsubscribe From Notifications
- Sitemap
Copyright 2008-2026, Patheos. All rights reserved.
Subscription Support Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In













