Patheos

BuddhistCatholicContemplativeEvangelicalGeneral ChristianHinduJewishLatter-day SaintMuslimNew VisionsProgressive Christian

Beliefs

Topics

Columnists

Resource Library

Research Tools

Video

Podcasts

Thought Readers

Faith In Media Tracker

Newsletters

Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support

Patheos

Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support

Follow Patheos Patheos on Facebook Patheos on YouTube

bibleandculture

William Campbell’s Romans– The Dialogue Part Seventeen

Last updated on: June 17, 2023 at 1:04 am   by Ben Witherington

William Campbell’s Romans– The Dialogue Part Seventeen 2023-05-17T14:08:45-04:00 Ben Witherington

LOGO Patheos Explore the world's faith through different perspectives on religion and spirituality! Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world.

Q. P.109ff. I found the argument that what is being opposed is only adult circumcision in Rom. 2 doesn’t make sense to me when I consider what Paul is arguing against with his fellow Jewish Christians in Galatia, who want to circumcise Gentiles, regardless of age so they can become full-fledged Jews.  Clearly Paul views circumcision as the sign of the Mosaic covenant just as baptism is the sign of the new covenant inaugurated by Christ. Put another way, circumcision is an entrance ritual which as originally practiced had nothing to do with repentance or consent since it was largely practiced on the 8th day. Paul says that a Gentile who gets themselves circumcised is thereby obligated to keep the whole 613 commandments of Moses. What Paul says in Rom. 2 needs to take account of what he has already argued against in Galatians. What is at stake, and Paul makes this clear in Gal. 4, is covenantal theology, with the Mosaic covenant viewed as the childminder until Christ came and fulfilled that covenant’s demands.  Paul connects the Abrahamic covenant to the new one, and distinguishes both from the Mosaic covenant which he does not think either Jews or Gentiles who are Christ followers have to keep any longer. This is why Abraham and not Moses is set up as a paradigm or precursor to what faith or trust in God should look like for Christ-followers. I think Paul would point out to you that ‘Abraham our forefather according to the flesh’ was certainly not circumcised on the 8th day, not being under the Mosaic covenant, and that the Abrahamic covenant is the one connected by Paul to the new covenant. The new covenant is definitely not a renewal of the Mosaic one, which Christ fulfilled. Paul’s thinking is eschatological and grounded in both the Christ event and his reading of Jerm. 31, very similar to the way it is read in Hebrews. How would you read Galatians 4 differently?

A. Romans 2 has been notoriously difficult to interpret, so much so that E.P.Sanders at one point mentions despairing of making good sense of any of it. As noted, part of the problem is the analysis of the actual content Paul includes in the chapter, which I think I have adequately dealt with in my commentary. On the point that circumcision can transform an adult gentile man into a Jew I have argued and demonstrated that nowhere in the OT or Jewish literature of the time is there an example of such an adult transformation. Adult circumcision in the OT only enables certain social interaction between Jews and non-Jews in the land of Israel, and seems to be a sign for a proselyte and his turning to the one God during the Second Temple Period. But only the grandson of such a person would be considered a full member of the people Israel as Philo indicates (Virt 108, cf. Commentary 1105). The real issue for a proselyte is not his own circumcision but rather the circumcision of his son on the 8th day. Only thus could this son become the father of a boy born to a man who had been circumcised on the 8th day and thus this boy (that is the third generation) would become a full member of the people Israel. Although Jews welcomed interested gentiles, they were not actively seeking proselytes because becoming a Jew, if it was considered possible at all, was a process over at least three generations. Only Rabbinic Judaism at a later date accepts the conversion of a gentile to become a Jew, and only then did adult circumcision become the sign of such a conversion.

Education and Religion

History and Religion

Uncategorized

Circumcision and Gentiles

Previous Post



June 16, 2023

William Campbell's Romans-- The Dialogue Part Sixteen

Next Post



June 18, 2023 William Campbell's Romans-- The Dialogue Part Eighteen


Browse Our Archives

Select a Category Uncategorized

Select a Month October 2026 September 2026 August 2026 July 2026 June 2026 May 2026 April 2026 March 2026 February 2026 January 2026 December 2025 November 2025 October 2025 September 2025 August 2025 July 2025 June 2025 May 2025 April 2025 March 2025 February 2025 January 2025 December 2024 November 2024 October 2024 September 2024 August 2024 July 2024 June 2024 May 2024 April 2024 March 2024 February 2024 January 2024 December 2023 November 2023 October 2023 September 2023 August 2023 July 2023 June 2023 May 2023 April 2023 March 2023 February 2023 January 2023 December 2022 November 2022 October 2022 September 2022 August 2022 July 2022 June 2022 May 2022 April 2022 March 2022 February 2022 January 2022 December 2021 November 2021 October 2021 September 2021 August 2021 July 2021 June 2021 May 2021 April 2021 March 2021 February 2021 January 2021 December 2020 November 2020 October 2020 September 2020 August 2020 July 2020 June 2020 May 2020 April 2020 March 2020 February 2020 January 2020 December 2019 November 2019 October 2019 September 2019 August 2019 July 2019 June 2019 May 2019 April 2019 March 2019 February 2019 January 2019 December 2018 November 2018 October 2018 September 2018 August 2018 July 2018 June 2018 May 2018 April 2018 March 2018 February 2018 January 2018 December 2017 November 2017 October 2017 September 2017 August 2017 July 2017 June 2017 May 2017 April 2017 March 2017 February 2017 January 2017 December 2016 November 2016 October 2016 September 2016 August 2016 July 2016 June 2016 May 2016 April 2016 March 2016 February 2016 January 2016 December 2015 November 2015 October 2015 September 2015 August 2015 July 2015 June 2015 May 2015 April 2015 March 2015 February 2015 January 2015 December 2014 November 2014 October 2014 September 2014 August 2014 July 2014 June 2014 May 2014 April 2014 March 2014 February 2014 January 2014 December 2013 November 2013 October 2013 September 2013 August 2013 July 2013 June 2013 May 2013 April 2013 March 2013 February 2013 January 2013 December 2012 November 2012 October 2012 September 2012 August 2012 July 2012 June 2012 May 2012 April 2012 March 2012 February 2012 January 2012 December 2011 November 2011 October 2011 September 2011 August 2011 July 2011 June 2011 May 2011 April 2011 March 2011 February 2011 January 2011


Follow Us!

Follow Us on Facebook



TAKE THE

Religious Wisdom Quiz

What is the name of the first book in the New Testament?

Select your answer to see how you score.

John Luke Matthew Mark

Books by This Author Books by Ben Witherington

See All Titles »

Related posts from The Bible and Culture

Family

Westminister Abbey-- Part Two

The Bible and Culture

Family

Westminster Abbey-- Part One

The Bible and Culture

Family

Methodist Central Hall and Westminster Abbey

The Bible and Culture

Family

The British Museum-- Part Two

The Bible and Culture

TRENDING AT PATHEOS Evangelical

Sunday Readings: Love God and Neighbor

The readings for the Thirtieth Sunday in Ordinary Time focus on one...

When to Use AI and When Not To

Drawing on my new book with Trevor Sutton, "Irreplaceable: Humanity, Vocation, and...

Crabs in a Bucket: Why Evangelicalism Won’t Let...

There’s an old saying about crabs in a bucket. You don’t need...

Chapter 10, Elena: Progress

Open and Relational Theology & Social Psychology About this series: This series...

How Should We ‘Use’ Early Christians?

In his prefatory letter to the king of France in his Institutes...

Christa Pike, Human Sacrifice

Tennessee wasn't just trying to kill Pike. It was trying to perform...

view all Evangelical blogs

Patheos on Facebook Patheos on YouTube

Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support

Copyright 2008-2026, Patheos. All rights reserved.

Subscription Support Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In

Follow Patheos Patheos on Facebook Patheos on YouTube