Patheos

BuddhistCatholicContemplativeEvangelicalGeneral ChristianHinduJewishLatter-day SaintMuslimNew VisionsProgressive Christian

Beliefs

Topics

Columnists

Resource Library

Research Tools

Video

Podcasts

Thought Readers

Faith In Media Tracker

Newsletters

Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support

Patheos

Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support

Follow Patheos Patheos on Facebook Patheos on YouTube

bibleandculture

Wright’s Paul and the Faithfulness of God– Part Eighty Seven

Last updated on: March 13, 2015 at 10:51 pm   by Ben Witherington

Wright’s Paul and the Faithfulness of God– Part Eighty Seven 2015-03-13T22:51:17-04:00 Ben Witherington

LOGO Patheos Explore the world's faith through different perspectives on religion and spirituality! Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world.

tom1

The further one goes in Chapter 14 the clearer is becomes just how trenchant Tom’s critique is of Engeberg=Petersen’s work. The latter puts much stress on Paul’s conversion, but one may ask, conversion from what to what? The problem with seeing it as in some way parallel to what went on with Stoics is nicely highlighted by Tom beginning pp. 1395ff. I agree as well that Stoics themselves did not see a person so radically changed at conversion that they did not need to pursue virtue or make moral progress thereafter. This is not what the writings of Seneca or Cicero or Epictetus suggest, never mind Paul. Tom is right that Paul does not make conversion, not even his own conversion, the main theme of his theologizing. It is rather a starting point. There is this further difference “Paul, for certain, begins with one sort of community, and ended with another. The Stoics began as members of the upper classes….and ended as individualists.” (p. 1397). Engeberg-Petersen is forced to admit that none of the Stoics went so far as to practice Stoicism as a community project. Furthermore, one gets the impression that even to have time to pursue the Stoic life, one needed to be an upper class person, a person with leisure time on one’s hands. This was so not the case of most early Christians, about whom Paul can say in 1 Cor. 1 not many of you are of noble birth etc.

What really sets Tom into a dither is the treatment of resurrection by Engberg-Petersen who seems to suggest that what resurrection means is dying and going to heaven and gaining a celestial state there. Tom has no difficulty is showing this is exactly not what Paul means by resurrection. Tom’s treatment of soma psuchikon and soma pneumatikon (1 Cor. 15) is exactly correct. These terms do not mean a body made out of either soul/psuche or spirit/pneuma. They mean bodies animated by life breath or Spirit. The -ikos Greek ending does not tell us about the composition of the noun, that would require the -inos ending. The former refers to the function of something the latter to the stuff of which something is made. A good example making the point is cited on p. 1401, where Vitruvius refers to a machine animated by the wind as a pneumatikon organon (10.1.1), or Aristotle refers to pnematikos wine, by which he does not mean wine made out of wind, but wine which produces flatulence! (Pr. 955a35). In other words the translation physical body and spiritual body are really bad translations of the Greek of this part of 1 Cor. 15!

On pp. 1402-03 Tom shows how differently Paul uses the term ‘fire’ in regard to the future judgment in contrast to the fiery conflagration Stoics envisioned. On the Stoic model, the fire dwells within creation and will eventually consume it from the inside out, and that this cycle actually will repeat. It’s not a one time deal. Paul by contrast sees the fires of judgment as coming from without, from God, and it does not destroy everything, it purifies and refines some works and consumes others. It has a different goal as well. In Stoicism it is a reboot process, reducing all other elements to fire, whereas in the Pauline view it is brings things to a conclusion, providing final judgment, final salvation.

On p. 1405, Tom somewhat uncharitably suggests that what we have in Engeberg-Petersen’s exposition of Paul is ‘Hamlet without the Prince’. This is of course right in the sense that he ignores most of the Christological remarks of Paul altogether, concentrating on his more ethical or anthropological terms. But how one could ever have thought to have gotten at the heart of Paul’s thought whilst ignoring the core of his theological discourse is a mystery. On a happier note, Tom is prepared to say that Engberg-Petersen’s chapter on Paul and Epictetus is very suggestive (chapter 4 of the Cosmology book from 2010). Tom sums up as follows:

“Paul then did not derive his key ideas from his non-Jewish environment, but nor can his relationship with that environment be labeled simply confrontation. It is far more subtle. He did not…take over his main themes from the world of non-Jewish politics, religion or philosophy but nor did he march through those worlds resolutely looking the other way and regarding them as irrelevant. Nor did he say they were all wrong from top to bottom. When he says that all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are hidden in the Messiah, he does not mean, as some who believed that all truth was contained in the Bible, that one could throw all other books away.” (p. 1407). This is correct, but Tom would insist that Paul is taking non-Jewish ideas, and integrating them into an essentially Jewish worldview, he is not taking Jewish ideas and trying to transform them into or integrate them into a worldview which looks something like Stoicism, or Epicureanism, or, Cynicism. One needs to put the emphasis on the right syllable, and Tom does so.

Uncategorized

Previous Post



October 1, 2014

Wright's Paul and the Faithfulness of God-- Part Eighty Six

Next Post



October 3, 2014 Wright's Paul and the Faithfulness of God-- Part Eighty Eight


Browse Our Archives

Select a Category Uncategorized

Select a Month October 2026 September 2026 August 2026 July 2026 June 2026 May 2026 April 2026 March 2026 February 2026 January 2026 December 2025 November 2025 October 2025 September 2025 August 2025 July 2025 June 2025 May 2025 April 2025 March 2025 February 2025 January 2025 December 2024 November 2024 October 2024 September 2024 August 2024 July 2024 June 2024 May 2024 April 2024 March 2024 February 2024 January 2024 December 2023 November 2023 October 2023 September 2023 August 2023 July 2023 June 2023 May 2023 April 2023 March 2023 February 2023 January 2023 December 2022 November 2022 October 2022 September 2022 August 2022 July 2022 June 2022 May 2022 April 2022 March 2022 February 2022 January 2022 December 2021 November 2021 October 2021 September 2021 August 2021 July 2021 June 2021 May 2021 April 2021 March 2021 February 2021 January 2021 December 2020 November 2020 October 2020 September 2020 August 2020 July 2020 June 2020 May 2020 April 2020 March 2020 February 2020 January 2020 December 2019 November 2019 October 2019 September 2019 August 2019 July 2019 June 2019 May 2019 April 2019 March 2019 February 2019 January 2019 December 2018 November 2018 October 2018 September 2018 August 2018 July 2018 June 2018 May 2018 April 2018 March 2018 February 2018 January 2018 December 2017 November 2017 October 2017 September 2017 August 2017 July 2017 June 2017 May 2017 April 2017 March 2017 February 2017 January 2017 December 2016 November 2016 October 2016 September 2016 August 2016 July 2016 June 2016 May 2016 April 2016 March 2016 February 2016 January 2016 December 2015 November 2015 October 2015 September 2015 August 2015 July 2015 June 2015 May 2015 April 2015 March 2015 February 2015 January 2015 December 2014 November 2014 October 2014 September 2014 August 2014 July 2014 June 2014 May 2014 April 2014 March 2014 February 2014 January 2014 December 2013 November 2013 October 2013 September 2013 August 2013 July 2013 June 2013 May 2013 April 2013 March 2013 February 2013 January 2013 December 2012 November 2012 October 2012 September 2012 August 2012 July 2012 June 2012 May 2012 April 2012 March 2012 February 2012 January 2012 December 2011 November 2011 October 2011 September 2011 August 2011 July 2011 June 2011 May 2011 April 2011 March 2011 February 2011 January 2011


Follow Us!

Follow Us on Facebook



TAKE THE

Religious Wisdom Quiz

What prophet challenged King Ahab and Queen Jezebel over Naboth's vineyard?

Select your answer to see how you score.

Nathan Elijah Amos Elisha

Books by This Author Books by Ben Witherington

See All Titles »

Related posts from The Bible and Culture

Family

Westminster Abbey-- Part Three

The Bible and Culture

Family

Westminister Abbey-- Part Two

The Bible and Culture

Family

Westminster Abbey-- Part One

The Bible and Culture

Family

Methodist Central Hall and Westminster Abbey

The Bible and Culture

TRENDING AT PATHEOS Evangelical

Netflix Narnia Update

The official trailer for the Netflix Narnia movie has been released.  Director...

Why Halloween Is So Popular – And So...

Numerous sources say that Halloween is now the second most popular holiday...

Westminster Abbey-- Part Three

There are many more novelists, poets, playwrights and actors in poet's corner...

South Carolina Brought the Firing Squad Back. Now,...

South Carolina Brought the Firing Squad Back. Now, Stop It. The military...

Which is the Greatest Commandment?

Every religious practice, doctrine, tradition, and interpretation must ultimately be measured through...

What Was the Sin of Judas?

Whenever people talk about betrayal, the name of Judas can’t help but...

view all Evangelical blogs

Patheos on Facebook Patheos on YouTube

Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support

Copyright 2008-2026, Patheos. All rights reserved.

Subscription Support Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In

Follow Patheos Patheos on Facebook Patheos on YouTube