Patheos

BuddhistCatholicContemplativeEvangelicalGeneral ChristianHinduJewishLatter-day SaintMuslimNew VisionsProgressive Christian

Beliefs

Topics

Columnists

Resource Library

Research Tools

Video

Podcasts

Thought Readers

Faith In Media Tracker

Newsletters

Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support

Patheos

Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support

Follow Patheos Patheos on Facebook Patheos on YouTube

Aidan Kelly: Including Paganism

Pagan Theology: The Problem of Anything

Last updated on: November 20, 2012 at 9:23 pm   by Aidan Kelly

Pagan Theology: The Problem of Anything 2012-11-20T21:23:22-08:00 Aidan Kelly

LOGO Patheos Explore the world's faith through different perspectives on religion and spirituality! Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world.

I have been arguing with myself about posting about the matters herein discussed. I am sure many readers will ask, “What in the world does any of this have to do with Paganism?” Since my overall agenda is to argue that current Paganism is just as genuine a religion as any other, I need to demonstrate that a Pagan theology can provide adequate answers to the fundamental questions that any mature religion must be able to answer. Perhaps many people will find the content of this and subsequent blogs to be useless and boring. De gustibus non disputandum est. (Look it up.) I supposed I will be writing only for people who also believe those questions must be answered. As for whether what follows is a Pagan theology at all—well, that’s a different sort of question. I do know some other Pagans who have done the hard work needed to have a truly well-informed opinion about such matters.

Prolegomena

A one-dimensional, linear logic is inherently inadequate for dealing with important philosophical questions, which are always personal, not abstract. A two-dimensional map is better; a three-dimensional model even better. And since a philosophy must evolve to deal with a continually changing reality, it needs to be four-dimensional, like the spacetime we experience. (A higher-dimensional model might be even better in theory, but would not be practical.) In such a model, important concepts will be mentioned not just once, but whenever they are essential for a line of thought along a trajectory through the model.

I. The Problem of Anything

Philosophy must often begin by questioning something so apparently obvious that almost no one ever thinks to wonder about it. One such question is, Why does anything exist at all? Of course, if nothing had ever existed and never could have existed and does not exist now, then we would not exist to ask any questions. We therefore must admit that the first axiom is that Something does exist. Exactly what and how are then questions to investigate. We also cannot assume that the Something is a thing with a physical existence; that is, it need not be either matter or energy, which are several steps down the ontological ladder.

It has been assumed in Christian theology and in atheistic materialism (and in between them) that at some time in the distant past nothing existed and that everything at some time arose out of that nothing. But why should we assume that? Does the assertion that “nothing existed” have any real meaning? Perhaps it lacks a real referent, just as “square circle” or “green sound” lacks one.

Further, why assume that all things must have a beginning? Isn’t it just as reasonable to suppose that the Something might always have existed? The concept of “beginning” assumes the existence of time, which is an aspect of our five-dimensional reality, but is itself not primordial (I’ll come back to that). Hence, if time existed, then one cannot assert that nothing existed. Even using a past perfect tense or any other tense assumes the existence of time, since our verbal tenses in English are what we use to organize our experience of time; our verbs, whether of action or being or becoming, all fundamentally assume the existence of time. (That’s not true for some other languages; Hopi “verbs,” for example, express a probability for whether a statement is true.) Hence one must assert Something always exists—and then try hard to remember that the assertion is not intended to assert the existence of time.

There are other difficulties with the idea that once upon a time nothing existed or, equivalently, with the idea of creation ex nihilo or, for that matter, with interpreting the Big Bang that began our particular universe as having proceeded out of nothing. Such an interpretation imposes a theology on that physical fact. The physicists do not know what preceded the Big Bang, but they are not assuming there was nothing before it.

First, if within nonexistence, there was no chance at all that anything might ever exist, then nonexistence would always continue—but even that statement assumes the existence of time. Saying either “Nonexistence exists” or “Nonexistence does not exist” creates a verbal paradox.

However, suppose that within nonexistence there was even the smallest possible chance that Something might exist. Suppose that chance were only one in a googleplex raised to the googleplex power a googleplex number of times—i.e., 10100 itself raised to the 10100 power 10100 times, a number so huge that it would be physically impossible to write it out fully in this universe as a 1 followed by that many zeroes. Nevertheless, given unending time, that one chance would eventually happen. However, time is not primordial; as John Wheeler said, when one gets deep enough into the mathematical analysis of reality, time drops out of the equations. As Kant proved, time is not an objective reality that we perceive; rather, it is a way we organize the sense data we receive into a construct that enables us to survive. (I’ll provide a more detailed discussion of time later.) That is, time does not exist relative to infinity. Therefore eventually is instantly: that small chance is realized; Something exists. But where did that one small chance come from? It did not “come from” anywhere. It must have always existed; more precisely, it always exists. Our difficulty in grasping this is, again, our assumption that all things must have a beginning.

Second, consider the traditional theological concept of “creation ex nihilo”—that is, the creation of everything out of nothing. A major difference here from the purely materialistic interpretation above is that the emergence of everything from nothing is considered to be purposeful, not accidental; that is, the concept of “creating” has been added to the mix. Further, of course, it is “God” that is believed to have done the creating. At this point in the discussion, we need assume only that “God” means (1) an intelligent being (2) who is capable of intent and of somehow causing things to exist and (3) who has always existed, that is, always exists. We do not (yet) need to consider any other traits of “God” included in the Abrahamic religions. Without assumption 3, however, we would have made no progress in dealing with the issue of existence, for we would then have to ask “What existed before God?” and would face an infinite regress.

Is that traditional concept philosophically adequate? I think not, for two reasons.

First, this “God” who always exists is definitely not “nothing.” This “God” is a conscious being, who may not exist in the form of matter or energy, but, as was specified above, the Something that exists need not exist in those forms. (Let me note that I am here not counting a “spiritual” existence somewhere outside of our universe as a viable possibility.) In brief, if “God” exists, then the creating arose somehow out of the reality of that “God,” not out of nothing.

Second, given the authority of Scripture in the Abrahamic religions, one can reasonably ask whether the concept of “creation ex nihilo” is based on or supported by or even consistent with what is said about creation in either of the two stories in Genesis or in the poetic accounts of creation in the Writings. One must answer, No, it is not.

In Genesis 1—which, remember, began with neither name nor number—the opening line served as a title and overall description: “First, God created Heaven and Earth.” The next sentences begin describing the actual process. They say, “Earth was shapeless and empty; the depths were dark; and the Holy Spirit hovered over the waters.” However one might interpret all that, it is definitely not a description of “nothing.” This little passage was probably originally independent from the astrological sequence that follows and was cutting-edge science about 500 BCE.

On the first day, the day of the Sun, which rules light, God creates light to offset the darkness that was over the deep. On the second day, the day of the Moon, which rules the sea and other waters, God separates the waters, which already existed, into the upper waters of the heavens and the lower waters of the sea. Similarly, dry land is raised from below the sea (as Thales had surmised) and vegetation begins to grow on the day of Mars, whose Mesopotamian precursor was a god of agriculture. Sun, Moon, planets, and stars are created on the day of Mercury, Hermes, or Woden, the god who rules science and astronomy. Fish and birds are created on the day of Thor, Jupiter, or Marduk, ruler of the sky and the sea. Finally, humans and other mammals are created on the day of Ishtar, Venus, or Freya, the goddess of fertility. The seventh day was the day of rest in the Mesopotamian calendar, from which the Jewish calendar was derived. It was the day of Saturn or Cronos, the god of the long-lost Golden Age.

The other creation story, in Genesis 2 and 3, is even further away from any concept of “creation ex nihilo.” In fact, it is a totally different story, with very different concerns. In it there is no mention of the creating of light, sky, sea, sun, moon, planets, or fish. Genesis 2:4 is again a title for the story, which begins by saying there was land, but neither rain nor vegetation. Here God begins by creating a man and only later creates trees, vegetation, animals, and, finally, a woman. These two stories cannot be harmonized. Any attempt to do so merely creates a third story, one that is not in the Torah.

To wrap up this first installment: (1) the concept of “creation ex nihilo” has no basis in science, philosophy, or Holy Scripture; (2) the concept of a “God” as a causative, intelligent being will need further exploration.

Uncategorized

creation

existence

Genesis

God

infinity

John Wheeler

Kant

Pagan

Paganism

teology

time

Previous Post



November 12, 2012

The [American] Gardnerians, 1973-75

Next Post



November 22, 2012 Raymond Buckland and Seax-Wica


Browse Our Archives

Select a Category Gnostics Pagan Paganism Poetry Social Justice Theology Uncategorized Witches

Select a Month August 2018 April 2018 February 2018 January 2018 August 2017 July 2017 June 2017 May 2017 April 2017 January 2017 December 2016 November 2016 October 2016 August 2016 July 2016 June 2016 April 2016 March 2016 February 2016 January 2016 November 2015 September 2015 June 2015 May 2015 April 2015 March 2015 February 2015 January 2015 December 2014 November 2014 September 2014 August 2014 June 2014 May 2014 April 2014 March 2014 February 2014 January 2014 December 2013 November 2013 October 2013 September 2013 August 2013 July 2013 June 2013 May 2013 April 2013 March 2013 February 2013 January 2013 December 2012 November 2012 October 2012 September 2012 August 2012 July 2012 June 2012




TAKE THE

Religious Wisdom Quiz

Who conquered Jerusalem and made it his capital?

Select your answer to see how you score.

Hezekiah Solomon Saul David

Related posts from Aidan Kelly: Including Paganism

Pagan

On the Structure of Infinite Intelligence

Aidan Kelly: Including Paganism

Pagan

How Many Angels?

Aidan Kelly: Including Paganism

Pagan

The Way of Ecstasy

Aidan Kelly: Including Paganism

Pagan

The Allegory of the Diamond

Aidan Kelly: Including Paganism

TRENDING AT PATHEOS Pagan

What do the Gods Look Like?

I was recently chatting with someone on Instagram. She asked me what...

My Blogging Style

While there are many people who share their results, the end of...

The Odyssey

On July 23, I saw Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey which is Homer’s...

Work in progress

As I write this two big events have just finished up. One...

Restoring the Watershed of Divine Love

Perhaps cooperation is not something we manufacture through legislation, ideology, or moral...

Pray Like A UU

Many UUs don’t pray because of bad experiences in a previous religion,...

view all Pagan blogs

Patheos on Facebook Patheos on YouTube

Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support

Copyright 2008-2026, Patheos. All rights reserved.

Subscription Support Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In

Follow Patheos Patheos on Facebook Patheos on YouTube