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Irish-American Witchcraft: Open Q and A (The Morrigan, The Fair Folk, & More)

Irish-American Witchcraft: Open Q and A (The Morrigan, The Fair Folk, & More)

Last updated on: April 26, 2018 at 4:28 pm by Morgan Daimler

Irish-American Witchcraft: Open Q and A (The Morrigan, The Fair Folk, & More) 2018-04-26T16:28:58+00:00 Morgan Daimler

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I’ve done a couple question and answer posts before and I thought this time it would be interesting to do a more open ended one. Rather than a specific set topic for me to answer questions for this time around I just put it out on social media for anyone who had questions on any (reasonable) topic to ask and I’d offer my best answer to the question.

Here’s what we got:

About My Books

Vyviane asks: When will your next novel be out?

My answer: I’m about three quarters finished with the 7th book in my urban fantasy/paranormal romance series ‘Between the Worlds’ and since I self publish those I’m hopeful it will be finished and out by late May or early June. I’m also planning to do another anthology for the series, this time focusing on some of the more popular minor characters. That will probably be written in the late fall.
Until then I do have a facebook group for fans of my fiction where I occasionally post in canon short stories or little world building facts that may not have ever made it to the actual books. You can find it under ‘Fans of Between the Worlds UF Series‘.

“Cliffs of Moher, Clare” photo by Atomic Puppy. CC 2.0 License.

About the Morrigan

Keith asks: “I’ve heard that there may be a connection between the Morrigan and Hecate. Is this true?”

My answer: Some of this will depend on exactly how you understand the Gods, and whether you see Goddesses as aspects of each other. For my part though I’d say that while the two have some characteristics that overlap they also have a lot of differences. For example Hecate’s name is of uncertain meaning but possibly traces to ‘She who works from afar’ (Atsma, 2017) while the Morrigan’s name means either ‘Great Queen’ or ‘Phantom Queen’. They do both have some associations with the dead but the Morrigan also has connections to war and battle which Hecate doesn’t, while Hecate has associations with the moon and guidance which the Morrigan doesn’t. Hecate had no known consorts or children while the Morrigan was married to the Dagda in folklore and had at least two children, Adair and Meiche.

I imagine they would probably get along well with each other though.

“Hecate” by Stéphane Mallarmé. From WIkiMedia.

About Americans and Celtic Culture(s)

David asks: Why do American tourists keep associating Irish sites with Celtic deities and treating the folklore as definitive?

My answer: For my own opinion, I think its complicated. From the tourist angle a lot of sites have that connection emphasized. Why? Maybe because there is a lot of mythology and folklore written or told about it, connecting it to a specific deity. Maybe because tour guides think that’s what people want to hear. Certainly when I was at Sid in Broga [Newgrange] the tour guide talked about Aengus mac Óg a bit. When I was at Tlachtga for the Fire Festival there was a lot of focus on Tlachtga (the deity) and that was by native Irish pagans.

I can see what you mean about the written accounts, although I take a more nativist view with the material myself, it certainly has to be understood in its context. I guess ultimately for a lot of people there’s no nuances.

Jennifer asks: How can someone living in the US practice a Celtic spirituality with cultural sensitivity? How do you respond to people who say you have to live in Ireland or Scotland to honour those Gods?

My answer: my personal opinion is that the Gods have always travelled with the people they were connected to, and while its true that there are strong place associations for them in Ireland and Scotland that doesn’t mean they are limited to those locations. They are Gods, they can be wherever they want to be.

I would say the key to practicing with sensitivity is to respect and appreciate the living cultures and do as much as you can to learn about them.

“The Riders of the Sidhe” by John Duncan (1911). From WikiMedia.

About the Fair Folk

Adrienne asks: What are some things we can do when the Daoine Maithe come into your life and you find yourself having to work with Them? How can one adjust from going “Here are some offerings to keep you happy and be respectful. I’m going to keep you at a distance, if your ok with that.” To “Well, I guess you really want me to work with you and I don’t really have a choice now, can we work on how this relationship is going to work?

My answer: Well the first thing I tend to recommend is to just research and read as much as possible. Don’t jump into any commitments if you can avoid it. Obviously easier said than done sometimes. Don’t give or commit to anything you aren’t willing or able to do.

As to shifting from ‘here’s your cream don’t mess up my stuff’ to ‘okay I’ve been drafted’ I think it’s important to figure out as much as you can exactly what is wanted, whether its permanent or temporary (there may be no clear answer to that tbh because they can be weird about our concept of time, but it may also be a very decisive 1 year, or 7 years, or forever), and establish some boundaries. Figure out if they want you serving them or they want you as a connection between them and humanity, or taking the role of serving the human community to them because those are different things.

Betty asks: How difficult was it for you to go from honoring and working with specific Gods to having that experience in Ireland where it changed your devotional focus? And how did you know for sure it was right to make that change?

My answer: It was enormously difficult to be honest.

The second part of the question is a bit harder to answer. I still worry that I’m neglecting the Gods in some way, but overall there’s been strong reinforcement that where I’m at is where I’m supposed to be, spiritually. I also think that making the change itself was a bit of a foregone conclusion after the experience I went through. It was a bit like losing one job and being hired at another – the change from one to the next isn’t so much a choice as an organic process, if that makes sense?

Aleja asks: What do you think of the idea that we should never tell any of the Good Folk our birth name/”true” name? Is this a modern idea, or is there evidence for it in the lore? Does it matter if they over hear vs you tell them and how does that work with things like brownies who live in the house?

My answer: I’d say our birth name and our true name are different, but yes there’s definitely evidence in the stories that its a bad idea to tell them any name strongly connected to us. Names have power and being given our name gives them power over us, just like knowing their name would give us power over them. As to the telling them your name versus them overhearing it, its a bit formulaic on our end – we have to tell them afaik. Although sometimes they do seem to just know so overhearing in certain areas may be a concern.

Linda asks: Do you think the Fae are the same all over the world? For instance, do (did) we have a Seelie Court in America as well? Water horses, red caps, etc?

My answer: That’s a layered answer. In one sense I think there are beings who we could, in english, call fae all over the world but every area tends to have their own native ones, just like different parts of earth have different animals. But the same way that humans and some animals have gone into areas they weren’t originally native to and established themselves I think, arguably, we see the same thing in some cases with the Other Crowd. Certainly there’s folklore of beings like pixies, fairies, gnomes, will’o’the’wisps, and fairy hounds in America alongside stories of native fey.

I think that there’s a strong argument that the different fairy beings are both tied to locations and also to populations that believe in them, depending on exactly the type of being, so that as populations move the Otherworldly beings attached to them move as well.

Kellene asks: What would be indicators that things/phenomenon you are experiencing might be related to or coming from Themselves and what are ways one can show respect without being too “welcoming” if you know what I mean.

My answer: I tend to look at the nature of the phenomena – there’s some overlap between hauntings and fairies but also some differences. In my experience fairies will out right take objects, and are more prone to audio phenomena like music, laughter, and voices, inexplicable spoiling of food, dreams with an Otherworldly tone to them, catching quick glimpses of beings that immediately disappear….
A good way to show respect without setting out a full on welcome mat is a simple occasional offering of cream or a baked good, especially on a holy day.

Also Kellene: Once you establish you may have activity attributed to Themselves (not necessarily negative, maybe bothersome is a better word) how do you go about doing something about it, or can you? If you have the same thing happening from place to place could you have some that are following you, and how do you politely get them to stop?

My answer: They will sometimes follow you yes, and there are stories of specific fairy beings that attached themselves to a family or individual and followed them when they moved, including boggarts and leannán sí.
I’ve found sometimes simply asking them to stop can work. giving milk or cream once a weak can be helpful. Worst case you;ll have to try warding against them but that can often complicate the situation so I recommend that as a last ditch approach.

Patricia asks: When you teach kids about the Good Neighbors how far do you go to explain to them that they are not all Disney pretty little fairies and that there are dangerous beings of fairy?

My answer: My personal approach is to tell them the stories, but also give them the knowledge of how to stay safe or what to do. For example there’s a great book by Lari Don called ‘The Secret of the Kelpie‘ that doesn’t pull any punches about how dangerous kelpies are but also ends with a brave girl rescuing her siblings before they get eaten by using some iron to free them. Obviously you don’t want to scare them to a point that the mention of fairies sends them screaming from a room, but I think it’s important to make the dangers clear the same way I would with something like a bear or crossing or a busy street. I’ve found the traditional stories about Themselves work very well for that.

With my own children I’ve always tried to teach them to be respectful and to know that respect will go a long way to keep them safe. They know about making offerings and about what sorts of things ward off the more dangerous Good Neighbours.

“The Kelpie” by Herbert James Draper (1912). From WikiMedia.

Sheena asks: “When working with the Good Folk what sort of precautions would you suggest when in a life phase of preferred type to spirit away? (Eg, pregnant, with newborn, lactating, wedding day) How do you keep obligations or do journey work while also safeguarding yourself and potentially those around you?”

My answer: Iron is the usual one recommended for women in labour, newborns, and nursing mothers, although folklore also suggests that salt and rowan and red thread are good protections. This would hold true on a person’s wedding day as well.

Maintaining obligations or keeping up with journeywork while in such states is a bit tricker as often the same protections make such work harder to do. Sometimes compromises can be reached by using somewhat weaker protections, but often the only safe option is to avoid that kind of work until that particular transitional time passes.

Hanna asks: What are your recommended reading for those of us who have read some of the more obvious collected stories on the Other Crowd?

My answer: I’d say it’s twofold. Firstly I think looking into the local stories of different areas is very helpful. You can find some of this written down, like I have a book by Westropp on the Folklore of Clare. There’s also, thanks to the wonders of youtube, some really good stories being preserved told directly by people. I highly recommend Michael Fortune’s channel for that as well as the documentary ‘The Fairy Faith’
Beyond that there’s often quite a bit of good material in the more academic texts, particularly the older stories that have been preserved in writing a long time ago but aren’t heard orally anymore, often. Henderson and Cowan’s Scottish Fairy Beliefs, Lysaght’s The Banshee, Beveridge’s Children Into Swans, for a few suggestions there.

And I’ve found the old Scottish ballad material extremely useful as it often has a lot of fairylore in it.

References
Atsma, A., (2017) Hekate http://www.theoi.com/Khthonios/Hekate.html

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