BuddhistCatholicContemplativeEvangelicalGeneral ChristianHinduJewishLatter-day SaintMuslimNew VisionsProgressive Christian
Beliefs
- Buddhist
- Catholic
- Contemplative
- Evangelical
- General Christian
- Hindu
- Jewish
- Latter-day Saint
- More Voices
- Muslim
- New Visions
- Pagan
- Progressive Christian
Topics
- Religion News
- Food and Religion
- Sports and Religion
- Religious Art
- Religious Music and Entertainment
- Religious Events
- History and Religion
- Style and Religion
- Politics and Religion
- Women in Religion
- Recreation Outdoors and Religion
- Business Finance and Religion
- Careers Workplace and Religion
- Education and Religion
- Family Parenting and Religion
- Health Fitness and Religion
- Home and Religion
- Relationships and Religion
- Technology and Religion
- Travel and Religion
Columnists
- Buddhist Columnists
- Business Finance and Religion Columnists
- Careers Workplace and Religion Columnists
- Catholic Columnists
- Contemplative Columnists
- Education and Religion Columnists
- Evangelists Columnists
- Family Parenting and Religion Columnists
- General Christian Columnists
- Health Fitness and Religion Columnists
- Hindu Columnists
- History and Religion Columnists
- Home and Religion Columnists
- Jewish Columnists
- More Voices Columnists
- Latter Day Columnists
- Muslim Columnists
- New Visions Columnists
- Nonreligious Columnists
- Pagan Columnists
- Politics and Religion Columnists
- Progressive Columnists
- Recreation Outdoors and Religion Columnists
- Relationships and Religion Columnists
- Religion News Columnists
- Religious Art Columnists
- Religious Events Columnists
- Religious Music and Entertainment Columnists
- Sports and Religion Columnists
- Style and Religion Columnists
- Technology and Religion Columnists
- Travel and Religion Columnists
- Women in Religion Columnists
Resource Library
- 2026 Calendar
- Library of World Religions
- The 100 Most Holy Places on Earth
- Patheos Answers
- Podcasts
- Videos
- Faith Leaders Database
- Anglican Episcopalian
- Bahai
- Baptist
- Buddhism
- Christianity
- Confucianism
- Eastern Orthodoxy
- Hinduism
- Holiness and Pentecostal
- ISKCON
- Islam
- Judaism
- Lutheran
- Methodist
- The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
- New Age
- Paganism
- Presbytarian and Reformed
- Protestantism
- Religion Behind the Scenes
- Roman Catholic
- Scientology
- Shia Islam
- Sikhism
- Sufism
- Sunni Islam
- Taoism
- Zen
- See all religions
Research Tools
Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support
Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support
- Trending:
- Forgiveness
- |
- Marriage
- |
- Consciousness
- |
- Death Penalty
- |
- Election
- |
- Halloween
- Home
- Pagan
- Seekers and Guides: The Doers and the Don’ters
Seekers and Guides: The Doers and the Don’ters
Last updated on: May 26, 2014 at 12:43 pm by Sable Aradia
Seekers and Guides: The Doers and the Don’ters 2014-05-26T12:43:26+00:00 Sable Aradia
Patheos Explore the world's faith through different perspectives on religion and spirituality! Patheos has the views of the prevalent religions and spiritualities of the world.
In any field, you will find those who are outstanding. These are the Doers; people that believe in getting things done, and they go out there and they do those things. They work, they rally, they talk to people, they knock on doors, they practice, they experiment, and they dare. Sometimes they stick their foot in it and sometimes they fall on their faces. This is, I think, the most important element of Pagan leadership; that willingness to stand up in the field. And then there are people who seem to have made it their personal mission in life to be a lawnmower. Rather than spending effort on doing things themselves, they appear to be called to spend a great deal of time and effort trying to break down what other people build up, and it seems as though they’d really rather that nobody ever succeeded at doing anything. I call these folks the Don’ters. Why do these people do what they do? Where do they come from? What purpose do they serve? Why is it that some people feel the need to tear other people down rather than build them up? I never did understand it as a child. So I’ve read a lot of books on the subject, and I’ve done a little psychology study, and I’ve had some personal experiences in my years of non-profit societies, religious organizations and community-building that have given me ample opportunity to learn about the phenomenon first-hand. I’ve got some theories.
Understanding the Psychology of a Don’ter
Don’ters do not want you to succeed. The question is, why not? What is it that they have against you, or what you’re trying to do, that drives them to undermine, criticize and demean your efforts, or perhaps even you as a person, if they think that might be a weak point in your armor? I think they fall into a few general types:
The Helpers
Some of them think they’re doing you or the world a favor. They genuinely believe that if your idea or theory – or your self-esteem and character – cannot stand up to “criticism” (read: abuse), then it isn’t strong enough to hold water and so it should be abandoned. They sometimes call themselves “deconstructionists,” or occasionally “tricksters” (and yes, that’s the role of the Trickster, but the difference is in how far they will go and to what end they’re working). Or perhaps they think they know better than you do. Their theory is so much more sound than yours; they are better educated than you are; it didn’t work when they did it, so the whole idea is a failure; they are so much smarter than you; etc. Some of them are just pessimists and they think they’re saving you from a fall by teaching you to “be realistic.” These people genuinely believe they are helping you, or helping the world. They are trying to do you a favor, and they are very frustrating because they don’t understand why their “help” isn’t appreciated.
The Deluminators
Some people are discouraged by the failures in their own lives and so they cannot stand to see others succeed in ways they did not. You’ve heard this theory before, I’m sure; the psychology of the school bully, perhaps. They bring others down to make themselves feel better. Closely related to this is the attention-seeker who wants to be noticed, and so rather than create something of importance themselves, they make a career out of being the Official Opposition (which is what the minority party that comes in second place in our elections – yes, we Canadians have more than two – is called). I call these people the “Deluminators” because either they are trying to extinguish your light or take it for themselves. In the first case, they really are out to get you, because if you succeed, and they didn’t, then they have no excuse for not succeeding, and (they believe) it calls into question their worthiness as human beings (what have you got that they don’t?). In the second case, they really don’t care if you succeed or not, but since they’ll create a nice big stink and explosion by harassing you, they’re going to keep doing so; and the bigger the stink and explosion, the better they like it.
The Crusaders
Some of them are simply invested in opposing your idea because they view it as a threat to their ideas. For instance, there are a plethora of Pagans who are morally opposed to any form of organization because they are committed anarchists. For another example, there are those who are working towards greater acceptance of Paganism in the overculture who are therefore opposed to anything that takes Paganism any more outside of the mainstream than the personal practices they support – so magick-practitioners, hard polytheists, sex-positive groups, polyamorists, LGBTQ Pagans, pop-culture magicians and herbalists who use entheogens have all been the targets of such opposition (to name but a few). Some are afraid of, and threatened by, things they don’t understand. Some have much less pure motivations; they might be opposed to your group because they want to be the only group in the area, or they think you get too much attention and they want some! “Majority” factions, or the founders of any group, are often targets for this incarnation of the Don’ter. In any case, the Crusaders demonize you. They tell anyone who will listen how awful and horrible you and your group are. They swear that their opposition is based in righteousness and “concern for the community.” They waste no time or opportunity in listing your faults for anyone who will listen, some of which are likely to be gross misunderstandings or outright lies. Many of them genuinely believe they’re doing the Right Thing. But my choice of the word “Crusader” is no accident.
The Control-Freaks
Some people just don’t want anything to happen if they’re not in complete control of it. They might think your idea or group would be great – as long as they were running it, so they could make sure to make everything happen just the way they want. The Control-Freaks often manifest as Antagonists in the Church; they want to run the show and so they are going to do their best to undermine, stagnate and stalemate everything you do – and you personally – until they get what they want. Often in systems without overt leadership, they assert covert leadership, in which they manipulate the group into doing what they want but never have to take responsibility for their decisions. These people are the natural enemy of consensus-run groups and must be guarded against vigilantly.
The Sadists
And some are simply Sadists. They like to hurt other people and bring them down for no better reason than it gives them a charge to do so. Their self-worth is based on conquests and on the defeat and preferably shaming of other people. I would like to believe that these people are a small minority, but I have met enough of them to know that sooner or later, if you’re doing something that matters, you’re going to attract one. They come like moths to a flame.
Strategies
Obviously Don’ters are the enemy of any enterprise. You can’t get things done without belief, and it helps to have the support of others as well. Don’ters, even the ones with the best of intentions, undermine our efforts. They damage confidence – either others’ confidence in us or our cause, or worst of all, our confidence in ourselves and our ability to accomplish things. Even the ones who are “just trying to help” are a constant drain on resources, as we must pour more and more energy into the black hole of their pessimism in order to sustain our determination. Furthermore, they are as inevitable as time. Sooner or later – especially if what you’re doing makes a difference! – you will draw them to you. You should consider their appearance as a positive sign; it means that what you are doing matters.
“Don’t Feed the Trolls!”
I am sure your mother told you that if you ignore them, they will go away. If a Don’ter is loud and obnoxious, but not part of your group, the best possible thing you can do is honestly to ignore them. Attention-seekers do the things that give them the most attention. If they don’t get attention from you, eventually they will find something else to do. I realize this is much harder than it sounds. These types are usually the most annoying because they are the most likely to be the ones grossly misinterpreting what you said (which they often do deliberately) or telling outright lies. It’s difficult not to get your feathers ruffled and take people to task. But that’s exactly what they want of you. They want to have someone to attack, and they want you to be on the defensive, reacting rather than acting. You really don’t have any obligation to read every email or forum post that someone says in response to you, nor answer every phone call, nor associate with people who treat you poorly. Better yet, avoid people who are critics or gossip-mongers entirely, even if you agree with them, because sooner or later they will turn that barbed tongue on you. Ignore them, and do it pointedly. Yes, they will successfully bend the opinions of some who don’t know you against you before you’re given a chance. Seriously, do you actually care what such a foolish and judgmental person, who would base their opinion of you entirely on hearsay, thinks anyway? Think of it as a natural filtration system to strain out people you’re better off not knowing.
“Drive Your Enemies Before You”
On the other hand, if a Don’ter is part of your group, look immediately to this marvelous essay on “How to Prevent Your Coven from Being Destroyed” and get rid of that person as fast as possible. Do not have pity; do not give the Troll the benefit of the doubt. A Don’ter in a group is like a bad apple; her rot will infest the rest of the barrel. Or his pessimism and lethargy will be like a lead weight around the group ankle. Ruthlessly cut her loose as soon as possible, especially if you’re in charge. Don’t let the criticisms of “Gestapo tactics” or the like sway you. A scorned Don’ter is just like a child throwing a tantrum in a supermarket. Tell him to suck it up and take a hike. As Pagans, we try to be inclusive, but it’s not your obligation to put up with people who are being jerks.
“The Better Part of Valor”
Sometimes you can’t win. If a group is already poisoned against you, or if a Don’ter is in charge, just leave. There’s no point in continuing to expose yourself to their toxins, and this holds true in jobs, families, friendships, relationships, social or religious groups. Get away from the poison and preserve your self-esteem and your self-respect.
“Do Nothing Which is of No Use”
Don’t allow yourself to be drawn into pointless, circular arguments. If you’ve already made a point but the Don’ter insists upon misunderstanding it or missing it entirely, don’t bother to repeat yourself. It’s obvious they’re not listening anyway. I don’t mean that you shouldn’t clarify for someone who is legitimately confused and trying to understand, but there is a certain Perry Mason tactic (“isn’t it true, Ms. Aradia, that . . . ?”) that you should refuse to play with. This isn’t a court of law; and even if it were, that’s called “badgering the witness” and real-life lawyers aren’t allowed to do it. You ever hear that old saying that sometimes, when you’re up to your neck in alligators, it’s hard to remember that the original goal was to drain the swamp? Don’t be distracted.
“Never Wrestle with Pigs”
Don’t allow triggering watchwords to inflame you, either. People use these for the same reasons that some people throw crockery in domestic quarrels; they are intended to make you angry and provoke an emotional reaction so that you will be off-balance, or they are intended to threaten you so you will acquiesce to their will. The Pagan blogosphere tends to view certain words, such as “patriarchal” and “capitalist” as swear words; we fear that getting a reputation as being a supporter of either of these will be as damaging in the Pagan community as allowing an accusation of being a “warlock” to go unchallenged used to be. The best way to deal with such tactics is usually to refuse to engage, and let your statements speak for themselves.
“In Death-Ground, Fight!”
Sometimes a Don’ter wants you to be silent. Most often these are the ones who work in secret, spreading rumors, insulting you (but never to your face!), and telling people who truly are in a position to harm you insidious lies. Then you must speak out and denounce the Don’ter loudly and publically. You have nothing to lose; all is lost anyway if you allow it to continue.
“Let Naught Stop You Nor Turn You Aside”
Above all, remember what you got into this for! Don’t let anyone stop you from doing what you set out to do. Don’t crawl back under your rock just because somebody wants you to, and don’t waste all of your energy arguing with naysayers when you could be spending your energy working at your goal. Sometimes, the Witches’ Pyramid is best: “To Know, to Dare, to Will, to Keep Silent.” After all, if you wait by the river long enough . . . Doreen Valiente said it best when she wrote in her Charge of the Goddess: “Keep pure your highest ideal; strive ever towards it; let naught stop you nor turn you aside.”
Next column: Changing Consciousness According to Will
Seekers and Guides is published on alternate Mondays. Follow it via RSS or e-mail!
Previous Post

May 23, 2014
The Zen Pagan: An Introduction, and a Buddhist Earth Deity
Next Post

May 27, 2014 The Busy Witch: Wedding Magic
Browse Our Archives
Select a Category A Lakeside Hearth Adventures in Wortcunning Alone In Her Presence Arts, Crafts & Cooking Birthing Hereditary Witchcraft Book of Blackbirds Book Reviews Born-Again Witch Cauldron, Sword, Spear, & Stone Cermony and Liturgy Columns Community Dandelion Seeds Dear Jasmine Druid Thoughts Editor's Picks Everyday Pagan Family & Household Practice Family Traditions Full Frontal Magic Gateway Goddess Guest Articles Happily Heathen Health and Wellness Hearth of Hellenism Heathen Woman Hills of the Horizon History Holidays Horse Goddesses Interfaith Interviews Irish-American Witchcraft Jewish Witch Lamp & Labyrinth Letters from Midgard Literature, Media, Film, Music Loop of Brighid Love, Sex & Relationships Magic or Magick Making Light Naturalistic Traditions Nature News Outside The Circle Pantheisticon Politics Prayers, Poems, Blessings & Stories Queer Femme Mystic Queer of Swords Recipes Ritual and Practice Science and Research Seekers and Guides Seeking the Grail Socially Responsible Magic Spear of Athena Star Made Witch Syncretic Electric Technology The Blooming Staff The Busy Witch The Cartomancer The Crow's Nest The Dance of Pagan Recovery The Hearth of Hellenism The Lady's Quill The Other Side of the Hedge The Path of She The Rantin' Raven The Witches Next Door The Zen Pagan Theology, Ethics, Philosophy Tree City Witch Urban Earthwitch Wayfaring Woman Witch on Fire Wyrd Words
Select a Month January 2026 March 2025 December 2024 June 2024 April 2024 March 2024 January 2024 December 2023 November 2023 October 2023 August 2023 July 2023 May 2023 April 2023 March 2023 February 2023 January 2023 December 2022 November 2022 October 2022 September 2022 August 2022 July 2022 June 2022 May 2022 March 2022 February 2022 January 2022 December 2021 November 2021 October 2021 September 2021 August 2021 July 2021 June 2021 May 2021 April 2021 March 2021 February 2021 January 2021 December 2020 November 2020 October 2020 September 2020 August 2020 July 2020 June 2020 May 2020 April 2020 March 2020 February 2020 January 2020 December 2019 November 2019 October 2019 September 2019 August 2019 July 2019 June 2019 May 2019 April 2019 March 2019 February 2019 January 2019 December 2018 November 2018 October 2018 September 2018 August 2018 July 2018 June 2018 May 2018 April 2018 March 2018 February 2018 January 2018 December 2017 November 2017 October 2017 September 2017 August 2017 July 2017 June 2017 May 2017 April 2017 March 2017 February 2017 January 2017 December 2016 November 2016 October 2016 September 2016 August 2016 July 2016 June 2016 May 2016 April 2016 March 2016 February 2016 January 2016 December 2015 November 2015 October 2015 September 2015 August 2015 July 2015 June 2015 May 2015 April 2015 March 2015 February 2015 January 2015 December 2014 November 2014 October 2014 September 2014 August 2014 July 2014 June 2014 May 2014 April 2014 March 2014 February 2014 January 2014 December 2013 November 2013 October 2013 September 2013 August 2013 July 2013 June 2013 May 2013 April 2013 March 2013 February 2013 January 2013 December 2012 November 2012 October 2012 September 2012 August 2012 July 2012 June 2012 May 2012 April 2012 March 2012 February 2012 January 2012
Follow Us!
TAKE THE
Religious Wisdom Quiz
Which book of the Bible contains the story of Gideon?
Select your answer to see how you score.
2 Kings 1 Samuel Joshua Judges
Related posts from Agora
Simple Witchery: To Keep Silent
Simple Witchery: Leaning On The Four Pillars
TRENDING AT PATHEOS Pagan
I was recently chatting with someone on Instagram. She asked me what...
While there are many people who share their results, the end of...
On July 23, I saw Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey which is Homer’s...
As I write this two big events have just finished up. One...
Restoring the Watershed of Divine Love
Perhaps cooperation is not something we manufacture through legislation, ideology, or moral...
Many UUs don’t pray because of bad experiences in a previous religion,...
view all Pagan blogs
Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In Subscription Support
- About Us
- 2026 Calendar
- Videos
- Podcasts
- Library of World Religions
- Faith In Media Tracker
- Advertise With Us
- Write for Us
- Privacy Policy
- Terms of Service
- Do Not Sell My Data
- Contact Us
- Radiant Digital
- Manage Newsletter Subscriptions
- Unsubscribe From Notifications
- Sitemap
Copyright 2008-2026, Patheos. All rights reserved.
Subscription Support Ad-Free & Subscriber Log-In











