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Sufficient and Efficient Grace – Spurgeon, Tongues, and the Toronto Blessing

Last updated on: July 6, 2018 at 10:56 am   by Adrian Warnock

Sufficient and Efficient Grace – Spurgeon, Tongues, and the Toronto Blessing 2018-07-06T10:56:40+01:00 Adrian Warnock

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There you go . . .that got your attention, didn’t it! This is a post written in response to two great posts that appeared over at my good friends’ blog—the Pyromaniacs. (I don’t have to agree with a post in order to think it’s great!)

Earlier in the week my relations with the guys at TeamPyro were at an all time high. They were exhilarated by the receipt of the Warnie Award. I even began to understand their graphical jokes about link trolls, and all-in-all, we were all happy. I even got this email from a reader they sent my way:

“I’ve just been introduced to your site via the most recent post at Pyromaniacs. As is my custom, I always like to see the background of those who peruse and participate in this and other blogs I happen to [read]. In looking over your site, I could not help but notice the term reformed charismatic. Quite frankly, this term would probably generate a few awkward stares from many of the folks I know . . . . [The writer then explains how most of his reformed friends refuse to believe that reformed charismatics exist.]

Now, as a result of reviewing your site, I come to find out there really is such a thing. And I rejoice to know that . . .

It is indeed nice to know that there are others given over to such doctrines of grace; and that no denomination has such a lock on the truth. And thanks for tearing down yet another stereotype.”

In the midst of this sudden détente and the beginning of the summer silly season, suddently two posts over at TeamPyro threaten to throw wide open the charismatic chasm that, despite our bridge-building efforts, still divides us.

Interestingly, the first post was not intended by them to in any way be about the charismatic issue — but open it nonetheless it does!

If I were to re-title their first post, it would be “Grace Fully Sufficient, Spurgeon, and the Toronto Blessing.”

Two things struck me about this post. The first is the wonder of the doctrine contained in the verse Spurgeon exposits. Spurgeon speaks about the extent of God’s grace, which we cannot exhaust any more than a single man could breathe all the oxygen in the world! It is essential reading for every Christian wherever you stand on the charismatic issue.

The second thing that struck me was that Spurgeon’s response to the revelation of this doctrine—holy laughter—reminded me of the experiences some of us had on the more rational end of the so-called Toronto Blessing, and which continue in an attenuated form in charismatic circles even today.

Here is the beginning of what the Prince of Preachers had to say, and don’t let my stuff about Toronto put you off reading the rest of this fantastic post:

“My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness.”

I have often read in Scripture of the holy laughter of Abraham, when he fell upon his face and laughed; but I do not know that I ever experienced that laughter till a few evenings ago, when this text came home to me with such sacred power as literally to cause me to laugh . . . continues over at Pyromaniacs.

This practical belief in the experiential efficient power of the truth of the Gospel is something I fear is lacking in many cessationist, and for that matter many charismatic, circles.

I would love to challenge the TeamPyro guys . . . and the rest of us (including myself) — When was the last time you experienced such an impact of the Word of God brought to life by the Spirit of God?

Have you ever experienced the weight, and at the same time the lightness, of the presence of God when a truth comes to life that you feel you might (or indeed you actually do!) fall down laughing?

This experience of being overwhelmed by the vastness of the grace and love of God is one I believe is right to seek and to cry out to God for. Do you agree with that? Is it unfair of me to make the accusation that far too many of us — including those of us who claim to be charismatics — fail to seek experiences of God with sufficient passion? Could the weakness of our passions explain the weakness of our Christianity?

Certainly Lloyd-Jones seemed to think so. So much so, that some today would — probably incorrectly — identify him as being a charismatic. But charismatic or not, he was certainly not a classical cessationist. He was clear in his call for experiential Christianity, as a series of posts I ran on the Doctor and the Spirit here on the blog would demonstrate. (Another post on the Sealing with the Spirit didn’t end up in that list of posts, and is also worth a look.)

The passion John Piper demonstrated at the Together for the Gospel conference

comes from a remarkably similar view of the Spirit to that which Lloyd-Jones held. Piper and Lloyd-Jones would argue for the vital place of a passionate experience like Spurgeon describ

es. The very description of being so struck by God’s truth is intoxicating, is it not?

The second post over at TeamPyro that threatens the new-found pax blogica hit at what is perceived by many cessationists to be the charismatics’ weak spot. In my view, the post Red Herrings Tongues of Angels contains a link to some of the most reactionary views on this subject I have ever seen.

Although it is never stated, the clear implication is that if we tear down the tongues issue, the whole charismatic house of cards comes tumbling down. It is almost as if they realised what excesses the post from Spurgeon potentially opens up!

So, now, to respond to the second post . . .

Firstly, I want to reply to the notion that modern tongues are always “gibberish.” There are in fact stories circulating of specific cases where modern tongues were understood by someone in the meeting as literal human languages. I have never witnessed this, but have certainly heard from those who have. If there are any well-documented cases of this phenomena out there, I would be glad to hear of them. Dan makes the bold accusation that there have been no recorded cases of human languages being supernaturally given since the apostolic era — charismatics out there, now is your chance to demonstrate that Dan is wrong in this assertion!

But even if Dan isn’t wrong, it is quite possible that we are in a period of time when only the beginnings of supernatural gifts are currently being given. These things seem, in my experience, to come in waves, and somehow the outpouring of God’s Spirit does not seem to be constant. There are “times of refreshing” (Acts 3:20). Couldn’t the tongues we often hear today be almost like precursors to those which are more recognisable linguistically? I have certainly heard some that sound to an English-speaker’s ear more like human languages than others.

Remember that the historical facts do not in themselves prove theological arguments one way or the other. When my African friends speak of seeing dramatic miracles, are we to disbelieve them because we haven’t seen them ourselves? Or are we going to be somewhat disingenuous and preach a kind of partial cessationism? Certainly some of that kind of idea is about — John MacArthur, for example, the arch-cessationist, was quite happy to talk approvingly of Huss having prophesied the coming of Luther. For some, cessationism doesn’t apply on the mission field or in the history books, only in the here and now!

I am still waiting for the cessationists to demonstrate from Scripture that all the miraculous gifts (with the exception of authoritative doctrinal revelation) have indeed stopped permanently and forever. I have also not seen them give good explanations regarding the experiences so many of us describe or the benefits that those who speak in tongues receive from them. If the cessationist is correct, then the charismatic is, by definition, either deluded or demonised!.

More importantly, if tongues were never intended biblically to be a prayer language and all the gifts were meant to stop, then I have a number of questions for my cessationist friends about what the Bible says about them:

Well, that might put the cat among the pidgeons! Please read it in the spirit in which it is intended. I long for a time when the recognition of the need for a real experience of the Spirit drives us away from both sterile formal religion and an excessive emphasis on tongues – which is, after all, only one of the gifts of the Spirit. I am eager to destroy the myth that I am sure some believe – that charismatics do not have any real biblical basis for their positon. I remain open to being convinced I am wrong from the Bible. So, that’s all I have to say right now. The ball is firmly in your court!

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